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11-29-2009, 10:15 AM   #151
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This looks like what you were talking about

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 Mark Rippetoe Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,390 Default Okay, you assmunches. Here are two cases: Zach Evetts Age: 20 Bodyweight on 8/27/09: 162 Bodyweight on 11/16/09: 217 Bodyweight gain: 55 lbs. Seven site skinfold sum: 139mm Bodyfat: 18.40% Lean Body Mass: 177 lbs. Initial bodyfat percentage data not available, but his before-picture is an accurate representation of a male at 10% or below. Assuming 10% bodyfat on 8/27/09 LBM @ 162: 145.8 lbs. Gain in LBM in 11 weeks: 31.27 lbs., or 2.84 lbs./week Gain in bodyfat in 11 weeks: 23.73 lbs. For an approximate LBM gain of 60% Cliff Swanson Age: 27 Bodyweight on 7/15/09: 175 Bodyweight on 10/15/09: 220 Cliff's bodyweight has remained constant for the past month due to being off-program, his skinfolds were taken today. Sum of seven skinfolds: 133mm Bodyfat: 15.30% Lean Body Mass: 186.34 lbs. Again, initial bodyfat percentage data is not available, so we will assume two scenarios: Assuming 12% bodyfat on 7/15/09, LBM @ 175: 154 lbs. Gain in LBM in 12 weeks: 32.34 lbs., or 2.69 lbs./week Bodyfat gain in 12 weeks: 12.66 lbs. for an approximate LBM gain of 60% Assuming 10% bodyfat on 7/15/09, LBM @ 175: 157.5 lbs. Gain in LBM in 12 weeks: 28.84 lbs., or 2.40 lbs./week Bodyfat gain in 12 weeks: 16.16 lbs. for an approximate LBM gain of 56% The point here is that there is no scenario or assumption possible in these two cases that is consistent with a LBM increase of less than 2.40 lbs. per week.
Rip used this to prove wrong the claim that 2 pounds a month lean body mass gain is the maximum possible.

 11-29-2009, 10:18 AM #152 Soulman Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: SALTSA Posts: 30,736 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** Yup
 11-29-2009, 06:12 PM #153 Thremp banned     Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: I lurve bewbs Posts: 36,452 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** Maybe I live in fear of being "too big", but I don't really see a life for Thremp at 200+ Shredded 175ish... Sure wai not.
 11-29-2009, 09:09 PM #154 kickpushcoast Pooh-Bah     Join Date: May 2006 Location: you can find me in the A Posts: 4,026 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** i went from a lean 165 to a not so lean 230 in 6-7 months when i was in my beginner phase. this is pre-starting strength but i was doing a westside/SS type plan and drinking tons of chocolate milk(esp post workout, my PWO meal was a quart of nestle quick and an ultra fuel which is 100g carbs) and eating everything in sight
 11-30-2009, 01:05 AM #155 EmpireMaker2 Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Epic Burial Posts: 9,443 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** I know this is a really stupid question but what is the point that eating too much protein is overkill. Is there a point where the body can't handle that amount of protein anymore, and it turns into flab? Just curious because somedays I eat a redic amount of protein maybe around 400-500g at low 180 body weight, and was wondering if this does more harm than good. I could of been led on by some dumb posters in the past, and need a clear answer from THREMP.
11-30-2009, 01:08 AM   #156
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 Originally Posted by JohnnyFondue If I eat the same amount of calories every day with low/no carbs, will I see more lean mass gains than the same amount of calories consumed with more carbs? Or is lean mass gains more a function of the amount of calories consumed?
I'd like to know this as well

11-30-2009, 01:10 AM   #157
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 Originally Posted by JohnnyFondue They're like doctors, you know. And wtf at being 6' 1" 155lbs and having a 34" waist??? Is that just me or does it sound correct.
Sounds totally unreasonable lol, I'm 6 foot 1 185 with 34 inch waist and I'm fat as fk in the midsection.

 11-30-2009, 01:15 AM #158 kyleb Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 39,013 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** 400-500g protein/day lol Yes, that is probably too much.
 11-30-2009, 02:46 PM #159 YouAreWet grinder   Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 471 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** Hey H&F! Okay, so I'm completely out of shape. I get out of breath from doing some simple things like running up 3 flights of stairs. It's pretty bad. I'm 6'2", 185 pounds. I have a "skinny-fat" body-type where I'm extremely skinny in all spots except my stomach [beer belly ftw(ftl?)]. Anyways, I really don't want to buff up or anything, I'm more interested in just getting rid of the stomach and eating healthier. Any suggestions on what I should eat/do to JUST focus on getting rid of my stomach? Thanks and sorry for the n00bzor post.
 11-30-2009, 02:56 PM #160 kyleb Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 39,013 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** Physiology doesn't work that way. Especially for men. Sorry.
 11-30-2009, 03:11 PM #161 Weasel45 Pooh-Bah     Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: pillowy soft Posts: 5,961 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** So im an idiot and dropped a weight on my foot friday. I cant really walk or bend it. I have been doing the texas method. Should i just do bench, press, pullups til my foot is better or is there some other stuff i could do?
 11-30-2009, 03:24 PM #162 Thremp banned     Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: I lurve bewbs Posts: 36,452 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** Weasel, Yes. Try to see what you can do even with it injured. I found doing squats to only cause mild discomfort, though walking the weight in and out was h0m0.
 11-30-2009, 03:51 PM #163 kyleb Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 39,013 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** Weasel, Yeah, but try doing some light squats. If it's just discomfort, you can probably do the volume/recovery steps and omit intensity for a bit.
11-30-2009, 05:10 PM   #164
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 Originally Posted by YouAreWet Hey H&F! Okay, so I'm completely out of shape. I get out of breath from doing some simple things like running up 3 flights of stairs. It's pretty bad. I'm 6'2", 185 pounds. I have a "skinny-fat" body-type where I'm extremely skinny in all spots except my stomach [beer belly ftw(ftl?)]. Anyways, I really don't want to buff up or anything, I'm more interested in just getting rid of the stomach and eating healthier. Any suggestions on what I should eat/do to JUST focus on getting rid of my stomach? Thanks and sorry for the n00bzor post.
Sounds like you have too many misconceptions and misinformation about strength training....read the FAQ, it'll help you a lot.

 12-01-2009, 04:59 AM #165 pkrplyrX adept     Join Date: May 2007 Location: Playing HU Rush Posts: 1,134 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** I'm probably going to start eating 2 sausage, egg, and cheese McGriddles every morning when I get off work. I my last weigh-in about a month ago I was 153 lbs and I am already doing GOMAD. Between the McGriddles and milk I will already be getting 352% DV cholesterol and 512% DV saturated fat. Why is it perfectly okay for me to do this?
 12-01-2009, 05:10 AM #166 Barge Ass Pooh-Bah     Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Realizing stuff Posts: 3,842 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** Because you can? No because its fine in the short term if you want to pile on some weight. Dave Tate style FTW.
12-01-2009, 01:55 PM   #167
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 Originally Posted by pkrplyrX I'm probably going to start eating 2 sausage, egg, and cheese McGriddles every morning when I get off work. I my last weigh-in about a month ago I was 153 lbs and I am already doing GOMAD. Between the McGriddles and milk I will already be getting 352% DV cholesterol and 512% DV saturated fat. Why is it perfectly okay for me to do this?

Stopped reading at mcgriddles, seriously dude if you want to be healthy take mcdonalds out of your life, and all fast food for that matter

 12-01-2009, 02:07 PM #168 kyleb Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 39,013 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread****
 12-01-2009, 02:49 PM #169 tmcdmck Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: May 2007 Location: being less of a nit than you Posts: 6,497 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** ok when is it reasonable to start mixed grip deadlifting? is it just as simple as "when double overhand stops working"? or is it the case that if it stops working before a certain point i am a pussy and need to man up? my gym will not allow chalk, maybe i should try to get some liquid chalk, not sure if i will get away with it.
 12-01-2009, 03:02 PM #170 milesdyson Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 23,856 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** yes, when double overhand stops working. i started using a mixed grip on my 5th deadlift workout into SS (weight was 265).
 12-01-2009, 03:15 PM #171 anklebreaker Pooh-Bah     Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,540 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** Yes ^. Also, remember to switch up your mixed grip (i.e. left/right underhand/overhand)
 12-01-2009, 04:02 PM #172 tmcdmck Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: May 2007 Location: being less of a nit than you Posts: 6,497 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** yeah, good point, something i had been thinking about. would you recommend switching rep to rep, or workout to workout?
 12-01-2009, 05:06 PM #173 anklebreaker Pooh-Bah     Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,540 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** Certainly not rep to rep. I usually switch between sets. Don't sweat it, just don't do all your pulls one way.
 12-01-2009, 05:41 PM #174 Hey_Porter Pooh-Bah     Join Date: May 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 5,140 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** Brand spanking new to anything fitness related, but am diving right in thanks to some monetary motivation from my pops (not limited to any length of time, fwiw, and contains several additional motivators for long-term maintenance). Right now I'm focusing on weight loss, but from what I can tell a mix of cardio and weight training is still the best bet. Couple VERY basic questions: - I am recovering from a torn MCL. Doing pretty well, but it still gets sore and occasionally acts up on stairs. Am I pretty much **** out of luck in regards to most of the exercises y'all seem to focus on the most (i.e., squats, power cleans, deadlifts)? - I am a weakling, like in relation to normal people, not just all of you ****ers. As such, I am extremely intimidated when it comes to lifting and looking like the weakling that I am. Is there anything any of you can tell me to make me feel better, other than just cowboy up?
 12-01-2009, 05:44 PM #175 kyleb Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 39,013 re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread**** Your MCL may respond favorably to squats, actually. Try it with air squats and just a bar to see how it feels. Be sure to have your knees track outwards over your knees in a position where they are pushed out. Lifting stuff helps you not to be weak. You'll make quick progress if you're eating enough.

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