Don't tempt me.

I could easily go SenseiSingh in this *****, and I wouldn't give a second thought about the bodies I leave in my wake.

Dodger,

As a card carrying member of the Cabal, I'd like to inform you that you've been on our radar for some time, and that such action, should you decide to take it, will be reacted to in a swift and decisive manner. You should probably prepare jpegs of your bank statements for our review now, just to save effort later.

I'll discuss your proposal with my driver.

Well, the most misogynistic thing you can do is be a western man have an ethnically and culturally east Asian partner; particularly if you live with her in a western country. I've been told it's less bad if you're willing to actually live in East Asia, but still bad.

Your wife is Brazillian, but she goes to the gym with you once in a while (or did a few years back) and there was even talk of a breast enlargement (did that ever happen?). Having or wanting a partner who WANTS to look good for you AND is from another more patriarchal culture where women more closely adhere to their biologically based gender roles? That's hyper-ultra grade 5 red pill misogyny right there, you're only a few steps away from Elliot Roger.

Congratulations on your new membership!

If you could make him aware of what is going on then you'd succeed where everyone else has failed.

That is a fair distinction.

I'll suggest that you might be assigning a degree of judgment that few (anyone?) ITT are when we observe character defects in N1.

I am really thinking of impact, not intent.

I have several behaviors that I didn't realize were functionally manipulative, even though I didn't intend to act with that impact. In fact, I was so intent on not being manipulative that I was blind and in denial when I was being so unwittingly. You feel manipulated? Oh, you just don't understand. Let me clarify my intent!

It wasn't like I defrauded Wall Street or something. It was little things, mostly to get my needs met indirectly because I was afraid of having honest conversations. My family taught me that telling someone what you need was the only reason they needed to make sure you never got it. It led to all sorts of little coping behaviors from me. Which can be all the more insidious because it is easy not to realize how dysfunctional the behaviors are, even when faced with a cumulatively disastrous impact.

A large part of my fear was justified, because I had an awful habit of attaching myself to abusive narcissists and then killing myself to be good enough for them. This is always a losing proposition. So the few times I tried being honest, I got the **** kicked out of me. I have had to take responsibility for the people I chose to invest in.

But by the same token, I was so unhealthy that few healthy people could tolerate being close to me anyway. The cycle perpetuated itself. Like someone else said (it may have even been in N1s log!): Healthy people have a very low tolerance for bull****.

I am also coming at it from a place most aren't, because most have not been through some variation of a 12-step program. For normal, healthy people, any of the behaviors I specify might seem laughable and easily dismissed. But for me, they are a part of a web of dysfunction that contributed to a life so miserable, I decided it was better to die than continue.

I believe I am worthy of a healthy life and healthy relationships. I believe N1 is, too, even if we both have some work to do to replace unhealthy behaviors and cultivate healthy ones.

I typed out a bunch more but have no desire to clutter up the LC thread any further

Nice post. A lot of stuff I hadn't considered.

I manipulate my bf all the time and give zero ****s about it. Make him healthy lunch most days as otherwise I know he'll buy crap. Talk him into doing stuff I want to do. Complain I can't dig a tree root out or other associated gardening tasks because I know he'll come help me and then do extras while he's out there. He doesn't care either and it's highly doubtful I'll change.

Few notes on what words mean for people:

Empathy carries connotations of understanding. Most sociopaths are super empathetic since they need to know what other people are thinking/feeling to manipulate (correct usage) them. Since the definition isn't concrete and somewhat fluid, people just kinda use it to tell people they don't give a ****. Like if you say you don't give a **** about <oppressed people>, like suggesting Emoken lacks empathy toward the plight of the light skinned black man. That is obviously Grade A idiot talk, since he doesn't actually need empathy since he literally experiences the plight. Although, I guess idiots have used it incorrectly so long it could colloquially be considered "caring".

Most of the times when people say manipulate, they don't mean that. Like those Rexx examples are neither clever nor nefarious. Suggestions, reminders, advice, whatever. Most of us aren't in a position where we're socially deft enough, have sufficient interaction, and possess appropriate malice to engage in meaningful manipulation.


Also its 2018 and we're still guessing at how woman magic body works despite reams of science on the subject? Christ. Most squirting is not associated with orgasms.

I do realise they weren't real examples of manipulation. It was more having a laugh at relationships and the idiosyncrasies that go along with them. I am pretty sure I could manipulate people in a negative way but I would feel bad about it so I don't. I have a friend who is extremely manipulative, in relationships especially, and he is on the spectrum and has had to learn behaviour. Actually he is the guy that reminds me of you.

Cool.

Glad you posted an example that was the exact opposite of an example to fulfill your desire for attention on the internet. It worked. Good subtle example of manipulation. I fell into the trap you deftly laid. Both clever and nefarious since I could be doing literally anything else.

Lol. I told you I could do it

Thanks! This is the greatest day of my life!

I'm celebrating by sitting on the sofa watching rugby while my wife goes out and picks me up a case of beer and a pizza after working all day (plus gym after work. Breast enlargement hasn't happened yet though) at the oil refinery where she earns a decent bit more than the average full time male salary which she deposits straight into my bank account each month! I'll probably share the pizza with her. But not too much. Can't have her getting fat obviously.

So proud! Such an Aussie post. Congratulations.

Finally! She's home! Any later and I couldn't be held responsible for my actions!

It's official Snitch has membership! Seriously though Snitch how did you land such a lovely lady?

Immigration scam obviously.

haha he was fully serious


mrs. snitch looking great as usual.

Ok I'm going to have to put it down to Irish ancestry and 4 leaf clover good luck!

I had a middle on the game too... didn't even get close though. I guess being a terrible gambler is my cross to bear.

Misogyny, and I'm guessing a good bit of manipulation, has never been so fun!

Mrs. Snitch looks awesome

Speaking of rugby, has your lot got any hope in the tri-nations this year, snitch? I have not been following the super whatever this year at all other than casually sering the blues suck.

You guys think powerlifting might ever overtake bodybuilding in popularity in western countries?

https://barbend.com/ultimate-kern-us...fting-preview/

250k in prize money, not bad.

I think among males there's a very good chance it does. More accessible, less unhealthy on average, less dependent on PEDs, more immediately gratifying, can still look fairly big and muscular. Among females there's literally no chance; apparently at bodybuilding shows the number of bikini competitors routine dwarfs that number of all other competitors of either gender or any division by a pretty large amount.

It's pretty normal now at my high-end (marketed that way at least) big box gym to have people doing all the pl movements and even pressing... idk how much it would carry over to competing, but I'd guess it will become as popular as bodybuilding... maybe? The fact it's a fake sport that's far inferior to "the one true strength sport of champions! wl!", that pl is splintered into 100 divisions of nittery, etc. all are points against it, of course. BB is too tho?

Evo,

Less dependent on PEDs? If we're talking about levels where prize money is offered, my impression is that is not a true statement with respect to powerlifting. I'm willing to be proven wrong though!