How does what you're saying relate to (and I assume undermine) didace's point?

One implies the other.

You realize you are saying the same thing about both men and women, don't you?

The shift is simply that rape is no longer socially acceptable as it essentially was for thousands of years (due to massive power imbalances). The men who are confused have not adapted and I'm not sure there's any nuance at all involved in that. Almost all grey area involved is manufactured by people who prefer it being socially acceptable, just like any issue. If you can't reasonably challenge it you can only muddy the waters.

Well put.

i cant type well on phone and laptop is being repaired. But i have to say social status is far less relevant and facial attractiveness is far more relevant than men want to believe or women wqnt to admit. Women, because on average they are less able to acquire resources, partially because of biology, partially because of institutional barriers and social expectations, choose partners for reasons other than attractiveness. They had to do that a lot in say, 1940, but have to do it a lot less today. Women today even still admit they use tinder for free measls; using varying degrees of sexuality to capitalize on male's better average resource aquisition is literally the worlds eldeet profession. This is why men at the center and left of the attractiveness distribution have far less sexual access than before, women face less of a gap in resource aquisition ability and can focus on what actualy turns them on; face, height, body in tgat order. I'll depart from most who recognize this and say this isnt necessarily bad, but a few things should change.

1. Legalize and subsidize prostitution.
2. Less shaming of men who fail to attrqct a partner or maintain a relationship. Make everyone brutally aware tgat most men in this situation are simply too ugly, they mqy not have some sort of character flaw or personal defixiency or need to lwarn pua or play weird social status jockeying games. Most people know that the rare female incel is simply ugky or fat. Why send tge mesage that incel males have some personal deficiency when often its a physsical factor over which they have varying amounts of control, (sometimes none).

Remember also tgat every mass shooter gets oodles of fanmail and sexual solicitation from attractive young females... Female sexuality is just as dark as male, maybe more.

On sexual assault perceuved uptick I mostly agree with yugo. Part of it is more reporring of real sex crimes and awareness of one's rights, but part is just more female hysteria. And part is just men with low self awareness who are ugly being fed tge confidence lie and creeping out women who arent even in tge same realm of attractiveness by not reading disinterest and powing forward.

I don’t agree that there is a misunderstanding that women as a group value physical attractiveness in men. I have never heard it denied and there is vast evidence for it.

Well then you are simply wrong. Theres staggering amounts of "looks denialism". Ask a couple thousand women or men on the street what they find attractive or what makes a man attractive and a huge majority will say "confidence", along with various other character traits that arent immediately observable. See earlier pages of n1hthread for a case study.

Go to literally any website about how to do better with women and the huge majority of time they will undersell looks or claim they are irrelevant and drone on and on about "game" or confidence. A lot of their readers just need chin surgery, hair transplants, accutane, weightloss, dental work, lifting, or better presentation via fashion and grooming. To their credit, this is sonetimes highlighted, but never as much as muhhh konfidunce.

It is very seldom a woman will directly admit that a tall guy with symmetrical, aesthetically pleasing facial features, phenotypicaly masculine characteristics, and a big dick.

I partially agree with our stranger, but i think when they marry along these patterns, they are far less physically attracted to those partners and choosing for utilitarian reasons.

Of course women value physical attractiveness. Humans in general are a superficial bunch, look at the studies they've done on babies. Having said that even though my bf is very attractive if he was dumb or a bit of a prick I would have dumped him long ago. Being attractive helps initially but other features keep you with someone, unless you are just a very superficial person

Well yeah, duh. But the point is a lot of people deny this or understate the extent to which raw physical attractiveness explains sexual success in men. To be fair, its mostly the suppposed "red pill" and pua CCW types who deny this, but lets not pretend broader western society does as well.

I’m not really wrong. No need to poll women, just observe them swooning over tall dark and handsome movie and pop stars from preteen on. Unless you are conflating what they value and what they value the very most. In that case, I disagree from the other side and believe them when they say that a handsome face is frequently not the most important thing in how they choose a mate.

Exactly. There's a huge difference just wanting to get off with someone compared to looking for a guy for an actual relationship.

Thanks! Just another prop bet I would have won if anyone in H&F actually followed through with bets.

Imo hot guys and ugly guys are playing the same video game.

Hot guys: very easy mode
Uggos: ultra nightmare mode

Same basic game. Same general challenges. If you win on very easy, you legitimately beat the game. But lol if you laugh at the incompetence of people struggling on ultra nightmare.

Though we do occasionally get that savant that can beat the game by playing with his feet. Suddenly everyone says oh, I guess good looks/hands aren't important.

And we laugh at those people, too

Considering the content and the Malazan reference, this might be Kelhus's youtube account.

I'm really glad I'm not single anymore. It's brutal out there.

Kelhus,

Is this why you decided to take a low value mate and then take a low value reproductive strategy? I mean you do put less OH than I do, and weigh 30lbs more. So I guess actually reproducing is a win(?)

I must admire your level of intellectual dishonesty x Navel gazing. It must require a level of self-loathing I can't even comprehend to engage in this. (Kinda like your appeal to authority about vaccines. A+ lol btw.)

Emoken,

Good hot take.

Kinda curious what a low value reproductive strategy is. I assume it's discoupled from the choice of low value mate.

What is the causality order though? One for the philosoraptors of the world.

I assume having Thremp donate his sperm to your wife is one of the highest value reproductive strategies there is.

ldo

I'm just pretending this idiot ideology has some sort of coherence instead of just lolco-esque rambling.

It seems highly unlikely Mrs SM will ever get to see the needledick in person.

Evoken,

Why subsidize prostitution?

What the h? This is not something that even needs to be admitted.

But really having an innate swagger over comes a lot. I remember I used to work at the airport with this big fat **** named Ray. Pushing three hundred easily and the low man on the totem pole in a blue collar job. But ray was just so cool. It was surreal to walk around the airport with him, every little hottie who worked there would call out, "hey ray," come up give him a hug, start playing with his dreads.

Or even myself, I got a face like a break wall, and I'm not even charming. And the crown prince of incels, Elliot Rodger, was actually pretty handsome.

Worrying about what is or isn't masculine, what you should or should not be doing "biologically", is the lamest thing in the world. That's the real reason Red Pill types never get laid (and not getting laid is the real reason they're Red Pill types). And that's really it: if you're the type of geek who is worried about what is or isn't alpha, and wants to complain about the innate unfairness/sickness of society changing all around you, then your also the type of geek who's just gonna shrivel a woman up everytime you open your mouth. So, it's off to r/TRP.