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10-11-2017 , 09:42 AM
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Anyone here have experience with taking kids to the dentist?
I took my daughter tonight and she has some cavities that the dentist suggest capping. But, she hasn't lost her baby teeth yet. Do you need to treat baby teeth?
She lost 14 teeth? How?
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10-16-2017 , 03:49 AM
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10-16-2017 , 03:59 AM
lol@ Stefan Molyneux. Even though I like about 70% of his politics, I don't think I could stand being in a room with him for more than 30 minutes without punching him. Would literally rather have lunch with Hillary.
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10-16-2017 , 04:08 AM
Molyneux has got to be the youtube channel that I've subscribed and unsubscribed to the highest number of times (currently unsubscribed).
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10-16-2017 , 05:43 AM
I read the wiki of this Molyneux guy, and he sounds like a reprehensible dullard that I'd be ashamed to watch in incognito mode. Doesn't even sound fun to hate watch.
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10-16-2017 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Montecore
I read the wiki of this Molyneux guy, and he sounds like a reprehensible dullard that I'd be ashamed to watch in incognito mode. Doesn't even sound fun to hate watch.
I'll watch the regurgitation/condensed news with his ****ty commentary because it's well put together and concise, even though it's very biased toward libertarianism. When he takes snippets from his radio show as youtube clips it gets ultra cringe fast. Anything that starts with "the truth about" is usually blowhard to the extreme.

lol @ judging from reading a wiki rather than actually watching a video though.
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10-16-2017 , 08:06 AM
He's best described as a guy who believes he knows practically everything about how the world works and how to optimize everything so that it works better. He's not interested in critically examining different viewpoints, questioning his own beliefs, or thinking more deeply about how to make the world better; he's only interested in convincing you that what's he's already discovered is some kind of infallible truth.

He's a guy who could have an interesting fellow like Michael Mallice, James Flynn, Charles Murray, or James DaMore on his show and then proceed to talk over them with his own thoughts and insights rather than letting his ****ing guest who's a lot smarter and more qualified on the topic actually speak.
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10-16-2017 , 10:30 PM
The only 3rd party photo host I have used is photobucket. As I haven’t used it in a while I only recently realized the charge they implemented. What is a good alternative for just hosting pics to add to forum posts?
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10-16-2017 , 10:30 PM
Imgur
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10-17-2017 , 08:04 AM
Mlylt's thread is like a thread for cage fighters. Anyone with a grudge against someone else can go there and fight it out.
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10-17-2017 , 08:21 AM
Rexx,

1) Woman on internet issue where everyone posts there. The amount of non-regs is absurd. And even some of the people who kinda post elsewhere go totally crazy with random nonsense. (Two cans of tuna a day will give you mercury poisoning, carb addictions, etc)
2) MLY kinda invites tons of attention with her general behavior so you have more people actively reading as well.

I think my last two issues were: 1) The RDL is not a pathway to teaching the hip hinge or a technically simpler movement than the DL. (Feel to google your heart out, this topic was novel in like 2011 and pretty much settled by 2014.) 2) You can eat a salad at a fast food place and not die. Obviously I need to prep the CNS for sqats so some degree of arguing on the internet is needed.
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10-19-2017 , 07:16 AM
Wow, sick all-time low for the LC thread.

Borge Fagerli (French coach of some renown) on training volume: https://www.facebook.com/coach.borge...36685109815496

Calling EV!

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I know this is going to cause some controversy, but as the years go by and I work with more and more people, I am becoming more and more convinced that you don't need as much volume as you think.

Most lifters do way too much, something I call "junk volume". It only takes 1-2 hard sets to get 80-85% of the training effect, and doubling-tripling that only provides marginal benefits with a large increase in potential negatives. Even Schoenfeld’s meta-analysis (there are some obvious confounders with reviews, but I’m not going into that here) showed that less than 5 weekly sets provided 5.4% gains, 5-9 weekly sets, 6.6% gains, whereas 10+ sets provided 9.8%. When stratified into less than 9 and more than 9 weekly sets, the difference was 5.8% and 8.2%, respectively.

This makes it sound like you get twice the gains by doubling the volume, but in practice it doesn’t play out quite like this.
The rate of gains might be higher in the short term, but a very common outcome is that fast gains lead to faster stagnation and in many cases, various connective tissue problems or other overreaching symptoms.

Those who tolerate, thrive or benefit from the higher volumes usually have one or more of the following traits:
- submaximal training (keeping more reps in reserve, either by intent or because they’re not used to going to failure). This type of high-volume training works great for strength (via skill/practice).
- great genetics, with a frame built for strength and muscle
- young guys and girls with optimal hormone levels and great recovery
- specialists who have worked up to tolerating that volume over years within their respective sport. At this level, the 1-2% advantages win trophies so the investment is worth living on the brink of overreaching. They also have their recovery needs taken care of, and some are often full-time athletes or competitors who live, breathe and die by their respective sports.
- drug use

Everyone else - we might THINK or WANT we belong to one of these demographics, but I think it is wiser to take an objective look at what hand nature has dealt us, and do a more intelligent investment strategy with your training efforts.

I know you probably don’t like to hear this, but when we get to a certain point it will be hard to gain even 1-2lbs/0.5-1kg of muscle mass per YEAR. How much effort and time are you really willing to put in to gain those 500g of muscle?
Answer that before reading on.

I have lowered volume consistently with most of my clients and it has only provided better results. I have also had several previous high volume clients on "rehab", with the same story. Their gains were awesome in the beginning, they were constantly sore and tired but had some great gains...then they eventually experienced various aches and pains, and some of them ended up completely demolished.

When all motivation to train is gone, and when joints and tendons are starting to hurt - but you still keep going because this study or that expert says that it is "optimal", I think we are - again - stuck in the mindset of general vs. individual.

I could pull all sorts of more relevant studies and show you how the outliers skew the averages in various studies on volume. There are high-responders, average-responders and no-responders in various studies - yet the average gains in one volume tier vs. the other may favour the higher volume.

In my humble experience, from the clients I work with long-term - there are very few no-responders with more sane workout approaches. To give you an idea: Most muscle groups or exercises get 1-2 maybe 3 sets per workout, and 2-4 workouts per muscle group per week.

The gains may not be as impressive in the first 6-8 weeks, but when I work with someone for 12-16 weeks (3-4 months) or longer, the gains just keep coming at a steady rate. An added, but important bonus is that they stay motivated, fresh and pain-free during that whole time. I have clients returning after 3-6 months on their own, and they are still gaining (as long as they didn’t get tempted to chase excessive volume/frequency, or contract a difficult case of the well-known disease "****around-itis").

Chasing volume is fine if you fit into the categories I mentioned above, and you are willing to stay on the brink of overreaching for the sake of squeezing out a few extra % gains. Or if you just like to spend time in the gym, and compensate for the volume by working submax and taking longer breaks between sets.

For the rest of you, I would take some time for honest introspection. Are your gains in the gym the last few months or years, in line with the time and effort spent there?

I would try the following:
- Take 9-14 days completely off and do something completely different. Walking/hiking, biking, swimming, play with your balls (I’m obviously talking about soccer, basketball, tennis etc), some easy mobility work (e.g. tai chi and yoga), just do something completely different to reset your mind and body.
- Go back in the gym, start with 1 set only and lighter loads for the first week or two. 2-3 workouts/week is fine.
- Go harder for the next week or two, then add in 1-2 sets on a few exercises (not all of them) per workout where you need to.
- Watch your strength increase by quickly at first, then settle at a reasonable, but consistent rate for the long haul.
- Don’t push it, and learn to appreciate how it feels to leave the gym without being completely drained or with various aches, pains or soreness constantly bothering you.
- Enjoy training, but not just in the gym lifting weights. I belive it is important to have fun, and your body is capable of a lot more if you just experiment!
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10-19-2017 , 07:25 AM
Personally, I have found 0-2 workouts a week to be pretty much perfect.
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10-19-2017 , 07:46 AM
Finally, the secrets of optimal SALTSa-ing have been revealed!

In so seriousness, though, I can dig it. I'm not sure how much value, for example, my backoff sets actually provide, but my lifts are going up and my body isn't breaking (mostly), so que cera. It probably means most/all of my work that I think is @9-9+ is actually @8-9 and I'm accidentally doing even more of the kind of submaximal work he is recommending than I think, but who knows. It's something fun to neckbeard about, in any case.
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10-19-2017 , 08:01 AM
Monte, lifts going up in PR territory?

I definitely agree for maintaining or extremely slow "this isn't my life anymore" progression. TBD on if it's enough for actual legit lifting though. Seems like fantasyland copout stuff + also "why isn't everyone hyooge?" then.
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10-19-2017 , 08:07 AM
Squat PR (such as it is), yes, and approaching it with the DL, albeit slowly because of the SI stuff. Maybe proportionally with respect to strength ratio with bench too? Hard to say. The number of us active on this board that can count what we're doing as "legitimate lifting" is pretty low, though. There's plenty of room for most of us to continue to make gains, and I'd argue doing it slower than the theoretical maximum rate isn't terrible if it increases compliance. That said, most of us are terrible at assessing intensity and judging fatigue, and this would mostly be used as justification for our various InnerEVs taking over.

I'm going to keep going as is until I have a reason not to, I think.
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10-19-2017 , 09:37 AM
saw is still alive?
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10-19-2017 , 10:22 AM
I honestly didn't really read it very well before. He says 2-3 sets 2-4 times/week. That seems like very legitimate volume to me. I mean that seems standard with SS, 5/3/1, etc.

I've also never "bulked" before so wtf do I know.
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10-19-2017 , 12:17 PM
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I would try the following:
- Take 9-14 days completely off and do something completely different.
ok I got this part down pat. cba to read the rest
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10-19-2017 , 01:57 PM
High five!
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10-19-2017 , 02:07 PM
i guess I need to take a look at the Schoenfeld study because yeah maybe difference between 5.8% gains and 9.8% gains is only couple a percentage points, but it's also 60%!!!

But I mostly agree with what he says. It's just I would put it slightly differently

"The realities of natty training state after newb gains are exhausted, muscle gains are in grams. A few hundred grams of new muscle per year is the best you can hope, so don't waste your time with millions of reps so you can turn into Arnold, that requires the breakfast of champions."
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10-19-2017 , 02:41 PM
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appreciate how it feels to leave the gym without being completely drained
I don't think he appreciates what's being drained is my urge to kill. Unfortunately for his thesis, the lift where I've most mimicked his suggested workload (OHP) for the last couple of months has literally gone backwards during that time while the rest of them have been improving. Maniac!
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10-19-2017 , 02:52 PM
You pressing 200 lbs yet Holliday?
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10-19-2017 , 03:44 PM
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You pressing 200 lbs yet Holliday?
No. I got 195 last month but have kept failing at lower weights ever since. Yesterday couldn't even get 180 (which I was just doing *last week*). Pretty annoying because I've broken 300 on bench despite caring very little about it.
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10-20-2017 , 08:06 PM
Happy Friday Broski's

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