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Originally Posted by rickroll
idk if it was this thread or the dedicated powerlifting thread, but i made the exact same point that it was easier and more desired to get a "swimmer's body" where you're toned with abs than it was to have gigantic arms, chest, and shoulders and that got a lot of pushback under the premise that what women say is not what they do
they will say they want the brad pitt from fight club body in a guy, but in reality they really want the excessive caricature, the guy who's shoulders are so wide he needs to walk sideways through doors - they don't say it out loud so much but that's what really draws them in and the example given was just like how men always say they prefer natural women but when you look at strippers and porn stars they all have absurdly fake over the top implants and yet they are the ones dominating the market so the men that say they prefer naturals actually want fake fat fake titties pushed up against them instead
a few more added in with "exactly, more plates more dates"
i don't really have the evidence required to refute any of that, and frankly i think it makes a lot of sense, but i standy that was lost on those people is that your average person is obesese, those who aren't obese predominantly are not in fantastic shape, simply most of the others do not have visible muscle lines nor 6 packs so while it may indeed be preferable to have shoulders so big you need to crab walk through doors, the average "other option" won't even work out so it's not at all necessary to attain that level in order to stand out - that is unless you were competing and/or trying to become instagram famous
10000% agree. If you ask people directly, they will counter-signal endlessly about what their preferences are. It's considered trashy to say you like roided out 200lbs 6'0 guys with abs, but who do women hire for bachelorette parties? Dad bods? Roids=/= Ugly bald 5'7 men's open bubble gut bodybuilder; of course that look is unattractive. A huge % of the male population is on roids in western countries, but most people on roids barely look like they lift.
"I like conservative trad-girls with natural youthful beauty" is maybe slightly less of an untrue counter-signalling statement. But even then, like you said, what kind of female bodies are featuring in straight porn? " Are the Saudi Princes and Dubai Multi-millionaire flying out youthful 19 year olds with natural feminine neotenous features or fake tits+lip filler hair extensions 28 year old instagram thots? Men are guilty of this just like women.
And the advantages extend WELL beyond dating and sex... I'd love to see some formal academic research quantifying the returns to various cosmetic operations. The research on attractiveness and earnings is pretty concrete already, but not much is looking at specific cosmetic enhancements and how they might affect labour market outcomes. I'm sure women getting breast implants has bitcoin-esque returns even without considering the capacity to attract wealthier men.
FWIW my last 2 girlfriends have had enhanced breasts, and one of those was a doctor finishing her cosmetic surgeon certification. They are relatively more common in Asia/China than in western countries, however. It could be as high as 0.5-2% of women aged 22-40 in major urban areas just from my own observation. And double eyelid surgery is easily 10% in that demo.