I wasn't making some grandiose statement about getting stronger by weighing more. That was literally the discussion being had, how he his presses may benefit from weight gain. I was providing my lifts as an example. I went from 285 to 315 and only gained 6-8 pounds. He's starting at more like 265-275 so he could prob get back to 315 if he added 10-15 pounds, I don't think he would need to add 20+. I disagree with your statement that strength gains can't be made in someone's 40s or that any gain in weight is 100% fat at that age.

it's almost like he made that up and it isn't really based on anything

impossible! you're lying or on PEDs according to loco.

Sounds like some people can't handle the loc-huahua's YIPS OF TRUTH.

This changes everything.

2/18: Sheilfko C2W6D4

A
Deficit DL: wu, 225x3, 255x3x2, 295x2x4 (2 minutes)

B
Bench: wu, 135x3, 165x3, 190x3x2, 215x2x5 (2 minutes)
Facepulls: 8x15

C
CGBP: 195x4x5 (2 minutes)

D
DL: 225x3, 255x3, 295x3x2, 335x2x5 (2.5 minutes)

E
OHP: wu, 85x10x4 (2 minutes)
DB Hammer Curls: 30x11x4

85 minutes.

Pretty easy day.

As an aside, I've been weighing in weekly over the last month or so, and I'm up to 196.2 as of this morning, and a bit over 2 lbs in the last three weeks.

It's just a ridiculous conversation. JT comes in here and talking about how he is stronger at 44. Lol. All he does is bench variations.. I could front squat his max for a 10 repper. He has the lowerbody of a 12 year old school girl. That's nice that you specialized at upperbody push and made a couple of gains at 40, but you been training like shiet your whole life.

There are zero examples of athletes naturally peaking in their 40s. Zero. You donks. Athletes peak at age 26. Sure a late blooming jelly dicker might be to go into mid30s for lifting. Shiet he can go into his 40s if he keeps getting fatter and fatter. But it's fake as fack.

Of course, steroids changed everything. Barry bonds was batting .400 and slamming 500 ft homers at age 40.

The Olympics are getting better at testing. You see any forty years old killing it? Facking loltastic. The only old timers that do well are some archery, horseback riding, or deer shooting bullshiet.
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Peaking at goalpost shifting at 44 tho... totally possible I heard.

Oh, I didn't know we were talking about professional athletes peaking in their 40s. I have a different opinion on that than if a semi-casual gym bro who lifts as a hobby in between their full-time job and family duties can make gains after 40.

You come in here talking about how it's impossible to make gains because you believe you can't anymore, at least not the way you prefer to train. It's easier for you to be a quick little guy so you focus on that. That's probably smart. In danger you can scamper away and hide in small spaces while I get eaten by the bear. More power to you.

Literally, none of what you said is accurate. I have never posted a lower body pic, so your shot in the dark, like a lot of your bs is a wishcast and a miss. And MY training is sheit? The last lift I remember you posting in your thread was a one-armed incline bench press with some diatribe about how it is the purest press out there because it requires core stabilization, like some slappy facebook article content used to get a few clicks, and you wonder why you can't bench press? I don't squat so you select that as the metric to prove I suck? Can you 10 rep my hack squat max, not even FS--on the hack squat? Can you 1 rep my TB deadlift max? OHP? We know benching is out because chest development is lame. Dips are stupid. Are pull-ups over-rated or can you still do those well?

Bottom line, anyone who is ready to give up, or get some excuse gains should pay attention to you. This ain't heart, man. Give your head a shake.

^^ This. But we all knew it was coming.


Who the F said anything about athletes or about anything athletic at all? Oh right... no one.

Getting stronger via lifting weights (read: powerlifting for example, which requires zero athleticism) is absolutely possible into your 40's, and happens ALL THE TIME.

You're way outside your tinybro cardio lane on this one.

For the record, I don't think there is anything wrong with what you and monte are doing. I admire both of your commitment to researching and trying programs and your ridic improvement in the basic lifts. My point was that powerlifting programs and bb programs overlap in benefits, but not perfectly. You can improve body comp from strength training, and you can improve strength from bb training, but they are not interchangeable. To move as much weight as possible you should not be concerned with mind muscle connection or isolation and for maximal aesthetic results, you should not be concerned with maxes on compound moves as much. I don't think one is better than the other, cuz who the **** can say that? The only reason I would invite/encourage the good life for either of you is that it is a little less dangerous and there is some satisfaction to it in my experience that you seemed doubtful about getting out of it. You may not, IDK.

For the record, also, I admire loco's work ethic and focus when he applies it, as well. I have been inspired by him frequently and find it worth the bull**** that comes with it. I think he is wrong about his lifting career (and others) tho, and has at least another run in him if he wasn't...idk, afraid not to be the best at something? I can only guess.

2/19

Treadmill: 30 minutes/1.8 miles

K.

2/20: Sheilfko C2W7D1

A
Bench: wu, 135x5, 165x3, 175x3, 205x3x2, 230x2x4 (2 minutes)
NG Chins: bw x7x8

B
Squat: wu, 195x3, 225x3, 265x3x2, 295x2x3, 275x3x2 (2.5 minutes)
Facepulls: 8x15

C
Bench: wu, 135x3, 165x3, 190x3, 215x3x4 (2 minutes)

D
Dips: wu, +60x8x3 (2 minutes)

E
Low Incline Cable Flies: 8x4 (1 minute)

F
Bayesian Curls: 4x10 (1.5 minutes)

90 minutes.

Fine. Still a bit limited in work capacity due to this cough, but other than a little more trouble than usual recovering in between sets, none the worse for wear.

2/21

Treadmill: 30 minutes/1.8 miles

K.

2/22: Sheilfko C2W7D2

A
DL: wu, 225x3, 255x3, 295x3x2, 335x3x3, 355x2x2, 335x2x2 (2.5 minutes)

B
Bench: wu, 135x3, 165x3, 190x3x2, 215x2x6 (2 minutes)
Facepulls: 8x15

C
SS Bench: wu, 235x4x5 (2 minutes)

D
OHP: wu, 85x10x4 (2 minutes)

75 minutes.

Tried deadlifting with a belt for the first time in a long time, and it felt better (I used to have problems setting my back and keeping it set).

Bench felt good; moved my grip in a finger as per a conversation with the elf (in from the index finger to the middle finger on the smooth ring) and it felt solid. Might keep it.

Yeah "a friend" told me that long-armed goofballs can benefit from a narrower grip on bench.

It's not like I wasn't aware of that particular piece of information, it had just slipped my mind.

As an aside, I did 10 minutes in the sauna and thought of you after how exceedingly k it was. Might add it to the routine.

What's the idea behind that? I'm a long armed goofball with a narrow grip bench and thought I was supposed to grip wider.

(Legit question)

Syn,

Can put less strain on the shoulders for some (narrower grip should allow you to help your elbows less flared at the bottom), and may keep your forearms more perpendicular to the bar at the bottom of the movement.

2/23

Treadmill: 30 minutes/1.8 miles

Sauna: 10 minutes

Still k.

2/24: Sheilfko C2W7D3

A
Bench: wu, 135x3, 165x3, 190x3x2, 215x2x5 (2 minutes)
NG Chins: bw x7x8

B
Squat: wu, 175x3, 205x3, 245x3x2, 275x3x5 (2.5 minutes)
Facepulls: 8x15

C
Bench: wu, 155x3, 175x3, 205x3x4 (2 minutes)

D
Good Mornings: 155x5x4 (1.5 minutes)

E
DB Curls: 4x12 (1.5 minutes)

75 minutes.

Pretty smooth/easy; gym was too crowded to get both cable stations at once for flies, so I'll do them tomorrow.

Two young dip****s dumped at least 225 and possibly 315 off of the bar while squatting; obviously no safety collars, but unfortunately I just heard it hit the ground so I can only guess at the true extent of their stupidity. Luckily no one was hurt.

2/25: Sheilfko C2W7D3

A
DL: wu, 225x3, 255x3, 295x3x2, 335x3x5 (2.5 minutes)

B
DB RFESS: 25sx6x5 (2 minutes)

C
Incline Bench: wu, 190x3x5 (2 minutes)

D
SS Bench: wu, 255x3x5 (2 minutes)

E
OHP: wu, 105x8x3 (2 minutes)

F
EZ Curl: 75x8x4 (2 minutes)

G
Low Incline Cable Curls: 4x8 (1 minute)

95 minutes.

Pretty k day, though everything felt heavier than it looked.

2/26

Treadmill: 30 minutes/1.8 miles

3/1: Sheilfko C2W8D1

A
Squat: wu, 175x3, 205x3, 245x3x2, 275x2x2, 295x1x3, 275x2x2 (2.5 minutes)
NG Chins: bw x7x8

B
Bench: wu, 135x3, 165x3, 190x3x2, 215x3x6 (2 minutes)
Facepulls: 8x15

C
RFESS: 30sx6x5 (2 minutes)

D
Dips: wu, +60x8x3 (2 minutes)
DB Hammer Curls: 30sx11x4

E
Low Incline Cable Flies: 8x4 (1 minute)

90 minutes.

Dragging a bit; caught a pretty bad stomach bug Monday night that led to me ****ting 15+ times a day through Thursday morning and subsisting on rice, crackers, pasta, and Gatorade, so it hasn't exactly been all aboard the gains train. That said, I squeezed out something semi-solid this morning and today's session looked pretty easy, so considering I'm leaving for Europe in a few days, I gave it a go. The trip is timed at the optionally worst time for testing maxes, because of course it is, but whatever. In any case, today went alright. Still slightly dealing with a decreased work capacity from last month's cough, but I got through everything as programmed.

3/2: Sheilfko C2W8D2

A
DL: wu, 225x3, 255x3, 295x3x2, 335x2x2, 355x1x3, 335x2x3 (2.5 minutes)

B
Bench: wu, 135x3, 165x3, 190x3x2, 215x3x2, 230x2x2, 215x3x3 (2 minutes)

C
SS Bench: wu, 265x2x4 (2 minutes)

D
OHP: wu, 85x10x3 (2 minutes)

80 minutes.

Harder than it should have been, but given I skipped an off day and am still recovering, not bad.

Planning to do D3/4 of this training week before I go, then try to squeeze in the last real training week overseas so I can test after I get back. We'll see.

These loc-hua-hua exchanges are always hilarious. If I ever meet him IRL, I'm going to get him drunk and inject him with testosterone while he sleeps. I have no idea why all of you are so aversive to 125-250mg/wk testosterone e for the rest of your lives.

Availability mostly. And being too lazy to read up on cons and stuff to watch out for.

Evo,

Mostly because I feel pretty k now without it, and having to pin weekly for the rest of my life with a drug that isn't currently legal isn't really appealing to me specifically. Nor is going to an anti-aging clinic or making up symptoms such that I can get it prescribed.

3/4: Sheilfko C2W8D3

A
Squat: wu, 175x3, 205x3, 245x3x2, 275x2x6 (2.5 minutes)
NG Chins: bw x7x8

B
Bench: wu, 135x3, 165x3, 190x3x2, 215x2x6 (2 minutes)
Facepulls: 8x15

C
Good Mornings: wu, 165x4x4 (1.5 minutes)

D
Low Incline Cable Flies: 8x4 (1 minute)

65 minutes.

Officially down 4 pounds as of last week; finally kind of able to eat real food as of this morning (maybe), so we'll see if I can regain some of what I've lost before testing.

Leaving for Northern France tomorrow though, so we'll add some significant jet lag onto the pile and see how that works.