And bringing up bll shows you are dumb and have no actual things to say. Dt made a joke about bll to me a while ago and I just went with it. You are the Custer of h and f

Guys can any of you FPS mobility rehab prehab stuart McGill armchair anatomists hold an atg air squat with relaxed quads and a semi-relaxed t-spine with a medium stance for like 5 minutes? Can you OHS the bar and hold it for a minute at the bottom?


If not, work on those and watch as problems with your squat form mystically disappear even without the bird dogs and bull**** core exercises and chiropractor visits and foam rollers and god knows what else.



It's really ****ing easy. Like, can you use a squat toilet? If so, I'm 95% certain you will be able to perform a barbell squat correctly in a way that won't injure you. Don't make things complicated; this is not the snatch or cj we're talking about. It's just a squat....

Not sure if this is aimed at me, but yeah, I can do that.

^Not at anyone in particular (well... Sensei). Just too much nitting for something that's trivially simple for most human beings who are neither paralyzed nor over the age of 70.


I think my squat is quite good. I have some injuries, they are not from squatting even if squatting later irritated them. I have done quiittteee a bit of personal training now over about a combined 1.5 year span and have taught a couple dozen people how to squat with a ton of different body types with ages ranging from 19 to 66. And then a few dozen more who weren't clients but just people I ran into at gyms. I have never really done much other than instruct them to hold some atg air squats at home as well as before every squat session and maybe some simple stretches for hip flexors and ankles. Some LBBSed, some HBBSed. I've yet to encounter anyone who hasn't been able to squat passably well after 4-6 weeks.

And yet this forum is absolutely RIDDLED with people who have horse**** squats doing all sorts of ridiculously fancy and silly corrective exercises and theory crafting about anthropometry and all sorts of ****ing nonsense and "I'm a special unique snowflake and that won't work for me because blah blah blah blah". And after months/years of doing this, they're still in about the same place. You disregard a lot of simple advice and look for complicated solutions to straight forward and easy problems.

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huh? Aimed at me? Are you suffering roid rage or smth?
I absolutely disagrees with the 'fps' you mention. Foam rolling, mobility, smr, chiro, are all activities I will never indulge in.

I don't get the hate on bird dogs etc. Got me from not being able to move without extreme pain to Pulling 100kg within a year and improving. Forget me look at Cha. loco didn't follow it and still struggles with back issues.

It's the most basic core workout meant to stabilize the most important joint in your body to get you on your way from injury to performance in all spectrums of fitness be it sports or lifting and you think its fps? Haha.

But I don't even get why this entered the conversation so forget it.

You disagree that someone's frame does not affect their movements? Remind me again you are the one who believes there is a lot of diversity in human genes right? Armchairing at it's best this.

Your assessment of injury free squatting is 'have a poop and let's see.' Absolute toilet.

^ earlier parts chiro etc not necessarily directed at you, in particular. I think we know what I mean with the chiro part.


I am absolutely serious and don't see why this is "absolute toilet" no pun etc. I've yet to see somebody who can hold a decent ATG air squat comfortably for several minutes who can't also squat with passably good form with a barbell.

Can you do this? If not, work on it by holding some atg air squats while tensing your thoracic spine. BOOM! Better squatting. It's truly this simple. This is true whether or not frame affects movements (and of course it does).

You are supposed to adjust to your anthropometry, not correct it or fall into fps time-wasting, wheel-spinning movements.

I adjusted and am gaining strength every week since

Also, you can't club all corrective exercises into some monolithic entity. Of course there is all sorts of fps out there and in this forum.

Keep making your clients do hip flexor stretches, ankle stretches tho. lol
And great sample size clapclap. I am sure your inferences are spot on.

Monte your bar is getting hostile. DO something.

Listen man, the scientific method is great and all for solving difficult problems. Finding out how to get people to best sit down and stand up correctly? It's not really a difficult problem that requires rigorous empirical validation.

Have not been personally training for 3 years.

I can't unless I put my spine in a horrible position or is keeping the spine neutral also a fps?

I can somewhat deep squat if I pick my heels up and stay just on my toes. Now that is not an ankle mobility issue like most here would say.

Somehow that mobility seems to magically be fine when I deep squat holding a support in front of me. Why is that? It's because of how well your core can mitigate the forces. With a support, it's got almost no load to worry about.

So for example in my case I should shallow squat, build more core strength, recognize I need more than average because leverages will affect my form in a way that compromises the spine more than any other joint. Why is that so hard to believe?

This is a strong core:


Take away the core, keep leverages, weight lifted will reduce, maybe stay same but spine position will be bad.

Change the leverages - again not the whole body just some parts and not others, and are you saying his form won't be different? Again, I don't really see the argument here. It will be different.

Are the fundamental frameworks of the squat form flawed? No.

Is there variation in bodies that require adjusting to keep within the envelope of that framework? Yes.

Do those variations also mean load distribution will differ from person to person? Yes.

Again, this is not the point in contention. We are talking about leverages affecting squat form.

No one walks the same way. Why do people expect they'll squat the same way?

My one stride is like KC's five.

But you've been doing core exercises for years! Have you actually tried just ATG air squatting with your spine in a horrible position (but heels on the ground) and trying to progressively move it into a more optimal position and holding it while you're down there? Or you could try to hold just above atg at a point where you could have your spine in an okay position and progressively hold deeper and deeper squats until you can do it atg. Or you could, similar to the "2.5lbs plates fix" use some sort of heel elevation at first.

Even if my sampling sucks and you are indeed an outlier who needs more sophisticated methodology; it's worked for many others (the gym going population of China comes to mind, you don't see any ugly squats here even among the lanky). I bet it will probably work for monte/loco et al. And I mean just the "keep t-spine erect and hold sits progressively deeper and deeper" method, if they physically can't hold an atg air squat with an erect t-spine. I've personally never had to do anything more fancy than this, and that was with a 66 year old gay 6'2 hair stylist.


Maybe at least try the simplest solution FIRST, then FPS later.

My fundamental proposition is this: Leverages will affect squat form. You can still squat well without doing anything particularly fancy or complicated even with sickeningly cursed leverages. Don't fall into the trap of over-cueing or drastically changing squat form in the name of your leverages.

Look at Lu's wrists in that pic. Melk should let him know they'll snap soon.

I did them for not even 1 year. They were the building blocks to come out of injury and stabilize my spine. Now I adding core strength by putting weight on the bar and using adjustments in form to keep the core getting stronger and not injure the spine.

Yes. After I max out on knee and ankle rotation I have to increase back angle forward. That puts shear on spine. A strong core can handle that shear. A higher lean adds to amount of shear and therefore a need for a stronger core.

I don't put my spine in horrible positions though. That would be stupid.

I had rotational limit of my hip shown to me. It's just like your reach you know. There is a physical limit.

Just to clarify, 'core' includes pecs, lats, erectors. It's not just the rectus and obliques and the deeper layers in the surrounding regions.

This was a long way to have to go to hear Evo thinks my squats suck. My feels.

Well, if it's any consolation, the solution I'm proposing is really simple! Do you like to watch sports on the televsion? Do it air squatting for a few minutes and try your best to mimic a good bottom position of your squats in the gym. It's okay if it's not perfect, but you should try to improve it every day.

I really like Thrall and those YTWLs are probably a great idea as well. Will be supersetting them at the gym going forward! ty

Monte, don't underestimate the helpfulness of the Norwegian sewer chastity cue. Have you used that cue while squatting??

BTM,

Cheers, buddy.

POW,

Didn't I just say I was going to be channeling my inner power bottom?

2/11 (191.4 lbs)
C2 Row: 23 mins (5018 m) @ resistance = 2.5
HLR: 4x10

Rowing WoD was 5000 m with a stroke rate pyramid (22, 24, 26, 24, 22) every 1000 meters. Still figuring out what the different displays mean, but my power curve looks semi-decent and my wattage is in triple digits, so I'm guessing not terrible.

Came home to help my father-in-law with a few chores, then probably going back to walk afterwards.

Valentine's Day dinner is going to be a night early; I'm going to be reverse searing a few cowboy ribeyes, roasting some asparagus, and making some smashed potatoes for the wifeacore. May post steak pictures.

With so many strawmen itt, the smallest spark could set this thread ablaze.

I'm assuming that's a high bar squat, so it's a little different that what I was referring to with respect to your squat. Nevertheless, you're going to need to help me out here. Are you saying his wrist position is perfect and cannot be improved or are you saying that his anthropometry makes a different wrist position impossible?

+ LISS (Treadmill, 2% incline): 60 minutes (3.80 miles)

Not sure why I never tried the incline before, but it's definitely more challenging. Excited to eat steak in a few hours.

Hi Monte,

Enjoy your steak