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Eh. I kind of liked deadlifting before the injuries. Plus I have forever skinny legs anyway, so who the **** are we kidding.

Renton,

Eh. HAM is relative, considering I pulled 395 and 325x9 or something in the not too distant past and probably could have pulled four wheels (which is a distant goal that appears like it could be a bit more distant than before, but still a goal nonetheless).

I've done paused DLs in the past and liked them, so that might be an alternative to going full 2x/week SSPT. Something in the 5x3 rep range, still light, maybe? Eh, I'll think about it.

What is "SSPT"?

https://marylandpowerlifting.com/201...-the-deadlift/

Strict lumbar extension from deficit DL?!!!!


You on the senseiherb?

Actually senseiherb is a bad example as he and Eric creasey would both agree that recommending deficit deadlifts for Montecore is plain dumb.

Well, I'd imagine you'd need some flexibility for deficit dl to even be an option, but the point was that it couldn't be done for as heavy as a standard DL so maybe not as risky to his vertebrae. I'm probably wrong, just giving my rationale.

Ohhhhhhh deficit deadlifts! Those suck but I love them. Monte, have you tried doing a dL in your squat shoes?

My only other thought is that it would be helpful for you to occasionally go very heavy simply because training for good technique at low weights at some point doesn't transfer to maintaining good technique at heavy weights.

How about rack pulls? Who cares about full ROM on deadlift? The partial is giving you most of the benefit with way less likelihood of back compromise imo and we already established you are not entering PL competitions.

Yeah, deficit DLs seem like not a great idea given my current issue and past injury history.

Agreed, but ensuring that the form, at low weight, is replicable 100% of the time is probably a more important thing to do first (and I think it is, at least up until around 275 or so).

Now that's an idea.

I agree. If you can't perform great technique at low weight, LOL at attempting something heavier. Understood about why deficit is probably bad for you.

Yeah, and there's a definite inflection point wrt weight lifted where it starts to go from "good" to "alright" to "eh probably need to shut this down now". I have a good idea where that number is, and will tune whatever I switch to (assuming I'm deadlifting off the floor) to be below that threshold such that I can begin to get good volume in across an entire session, and not just for my warm-up/backoff sets, as has been happening recently.

I'm just trying to get used to doing more than one set. The reps after the first are definitely easier but the sets after the first straight suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck .

Been DL'ing 2x a week at mixed %/set-rep schemes, increasing each week for over a year now.

5×9@65%, 5×7@70%
5×5@72%, 7×4@75%
7×4@75%, 8×3@80%
5×5@72%, 10×2@85%

I'd say give that a shot if you're looking to DL twice a week and can recover. And definitely add in rack pulls, I was surprised to see that suggested so late.

I think this is a mindset problem as much as anything, partly caused by the mindset that Rip has helped profligate that deadlifts are the most draining of all exercises and are impossible to recover from, and thus only need a single set to disrupt homeostasis.

Once you get used to actually doing volume on the DL, I find it's like other exercises and often the middle or later sets go better than the first and second sets.

Very much this.

There should be no reason you're not able to do multiple sets, unless you're lifting beyond your means.

S&F is truly dead.

This is like when people were pumping up N1H or someone about his 225 squat...

You don't see me doing it.

I know what I am.

150 strict OHP is decent for your avg lifter. Most people who can bench 2 plates have trouble putting 150 over their head.

Not sure how anyone confuses the 150 OHP for kg if they've read the thread, but shrug

Preach, brother.

ftr, put me in the camp of "rack pulls\block pulls and definitely not deficit deads for talls"... but my only experience here is coaching my lanky ass brother up to like a 100lb sumo rack pull. So very relevant for you.

My all time bench press max is 330, but that was 10 years and 50 pounds ago when I was a bench monkey.

Not sure what I could do now, but repping 100 lb DBs means I could probably get it up to something respectable in short order if/when I decide to care about it again.

Word. After I fail to make much progress on 6 months of babyweight SSPT, I'm sure that's where I'll end up.

You are right.

I basically think (and this is loosely adapted from a milesdyson observation) that everyone reaches their "reasonable genetic limit" in their first two years of training. After that you either go serious and make real gains (see cha, aidan, real lifters, etc) or you spin your wheels forever chopping and changing programs, switching goals every 6-12 months gaining\losing weight, injuries, life layoff, etc (i.e. the rest of H&F).

Any loss of gains you have due to a layoff, etc. can be erased with 6 months of training (although I'm observing a new pattern that this lengthens with age... me, kc, weasel, etc), then it's just back to wheel spinning.

I've followed this pattern many times. SALTS is brutal and real. #realitiesofnattylifting

As a shepherd watches his flock.

Ew.

Ew.

This is Emoken. After three sets of LBBS, a PC dominant back movement is excessive. Obviously without doing a **** ton of squats <30min before you can tolerate much more.

Dunno how you got a quote. You're a loco level poster.

I don't think there is any reason to degrade people for their goals or just abstract accomplishments. I spoke to someone recently about a retired training partner who still totals 130/170 (prob power, cause lol throwers). He's always been stronger than G4S, and will prob coast into old man life stronger. Do you think he's gonna be like "Oh lol professional highland games competitor, ur so weak. Too bad you didn't make multiple Olympics!!!"? He's a fringe multiple Olympian instead of nearly the greatest ever. Both have been super supportive of everyone who shows up and puts in work. I find this weird internet culture of semi-weaks making fun of weaks to be probably the most hilarious thing ever. We all have our limitations. Saw and I will never crack 6'0 no matter the most advanced Assani methods... Is what it is.

/Mihkel out

I agree with the sentiment. It was merely an observation of the continuing shift away from the "golden" days of H&F when a 3-plate squat for five reps was the first milestone we all aspired to pass.

I'm still aiming for that.

In my defense, I'm so ******ed it took me six years to actually learn how to squat; hopefully my two years of gainz starts now.

it's also hilarious when pseudointellectuals pick on ******s on the internet and get banned over and over again.