I'm not trying to say it has much specifically to do with LC, it's more that lots of healthy fats and a calorie restriction is great for you, and the majority of America is addicted to carbs and that a LC approach can be a great way to live healthily

You don't think Ms addiction to sugar affects her mood?

I agree that most Americans consume excess carbs (calories/fats/protein/etc) and that a diet that fits your lifestyle and personal choices while being in caloric balance for your activity level is great. (I don't think addiction is an appropriate term as many people consume large amounts of carbs as part of a healthy diet due to exercise habits/lifestyle/choice.)

I have nothing against either LC or IF. I think recommending them repeatedly in advance of smaller adjustments that could achieve better compliance is silly and just outright bad advice. MLY needs to simply eat less and stop with the ridiculous reasons to binge. Everything beyond that is immaterial at this point. Advocating a radical lifestyle change to LC IF when she is struggling with "Welp. Ate enough salad to get me over my caloric allotment for the day." is inappropriate and counter productive.


This link seems like it'd be educational for you: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...s-part-1.html/

Please note #4 is regarding the discretionary allocation of carbs/fats.

This makes me think you are a crazy person.

Thremp,

Many researchers have linked the similarities between epilepsy and bipolar disorder in terms of what goes on in the brain and believe keto can better stabilize the moods of those with bipolar as well as help with depression.

Show your work.

You've made more than a handful of absurd claims backed with paltry and usually spurious evidence. You seem to have a crazy thesis and generally have no idea what you're talking about. You seem to be more of a harm than a help tbh.

M05 google is your friend:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...polar-disorder

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23030231

Ah. I wasn't aware he was just wildly speculating. Let me know when actual evidence shows that in obese patients.

I've provided actual studies. I'd appreciate the same level of discourse rather than thought pieces.

Furthermore, my responsibility is not to research every asinine claim that Thayer flits between.

But while I'm on pubmed.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357645/

Thanks for playing tho!

Mik,

What about the positive impacts of KD on smoking cessation, though? Should at least take that factor into account given her goals.

I thought smoking reduces caloric consumption in most people? At her weight its a pretty clear choice weight loss is the obvious life choice over quitting smoking.

If you read the rest of the stuff in that link you'd realize it contradicts most of what you were earlier arguing, but okay on to the new thing to zero in on to declare that you're right:

I agree, it's very hard to have controlled studies on humans! It is worthwhile to note however the studies on animals and the studies on humans that are easy to control, such as children with epilepsy.

What exactly was I arguing earlier?

Could you cite the specific studies that show what I'm arguing is incorrect? You seem to be able to state lots of stuff without providing any evidence. Or perhaps you're just furiously cherry picking? Wonder what seems more likely.

I am very amused at your quality of thought btw. (The mental gymnastics you're going through is completely nuts.)

What exactly are you arguing? Are you walking back on your claim that LC has no benefits for the obese beyond compliance? You have no substantiated any of that super crazy carb/sugar addiction stuff btw.

I need to substantiate whether or not sugar is addictive? Really?

You earlier talked about how LC reduces mental function then you cite a study that says "Both diets had similar effects on working memory and speed of processing" in your quest to argue some different point about my wrongness.

Here's a link that addresses Parkinsons Alzheimers and other forms of brain injury/degeneration

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/

Conclusions:

A wide variety of evidence suggests that the ketogenic diet could have beneficial disease-modifying effects in epilepsy and also in a broad range of neurological disorders characterized by death of neurons. Although the mechanism by which the diet confers neuroprotection is not fully understood, effects on cellular energetics are likely to play a key role. It has long been recognized that the ketogenic diet is associated with increased circulating levels of ketone bodies, which represent a more efficient fuel in the brain, and there may also be increased numbers of brain mitochondria. It is plausible that the enhanced energy production capacity resulting from these effects would confer neurons with greater ability to resist metabolic challenges. Additionally, biochemical changes induced by the diet – including the ketosis, high serum fat levels, and low serum glucose levels – could contribute to protection against neuronal death by apoptosis and necrosis through a multitude of additional mechanisms, including antioxidant and antiinflammatory actions.

Yes, it is well documented that LC diets do affect cognition in healthy adults (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...95666308005515). I mistakenly extrapolated that to a diseased population (obese). Hence why I typed "Welp I learned something today" before that link. I'm not sure how you misunderstood that.

It appears you are trying to say that epileptic children, rats and other diseased populations can be extrapolated to obese bipolar individuals (even though this is all currently conjecture) as a treatment, despite the evidence that LC diets show depressed mood in obese individuals.

One piece of evidence there is very strong and the other is very weak. Again, you don't seem very good at reading or understanding science. You can't simply pick the parts of the study you like and dispense with the parts that you don't.

And yes, you need to show that sugar is physically addictive. That is one of the dumber layperson views that is never addressed in this sub because most individuals are reasonably well educated and believe in EBM in lieu of theory and magic, which is generally why this forum has a pretty decent signal to noise ratio compared to most other places.

You are positing a variety of absurd and occasionally abjectly stupid theories which are senseless and without evidence. While you may think you are helping, in reality you just don't know enough about the subject to have a useful viewpoint and instead post a bunch of logical fallacies and irrelevant information while cherry picking pieces of evidence that fit your insane worldview.

I sincerely hope you learn more about the subject before you attempt to "help" anyone else, as what your doing just sets people up for failure.

This reminds me; this morning I gave my wife her meal and I said, "This represents breakfast."

What kind of a weirdo am I for saying that, exactly? Not that that means this scientist here is a weirdo or anything.

You seem to be aggressively and angrily conflating ketosis with low carb in general.

Here's some more studies for you brah

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23719144

. At the neurobiological level, the neural substrates of sugar and sweet reward appear to be more robust than those of cocaine (i.e., more resistant to functional failures), possibly reflecting past selective evolutionary pressures for seeking and taking foods high in sugar and calories

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21130529/

Ketone levels were positively correlated with memory performance (p = 0.04). These findings indicate that very low carbohydrate consumption, even in the short term, can improve memory function in older adults with increased risk for Alzheimer's disease. While this effect may be attributable in part to correction of hyperinsulinemia, other mechanisms associated with ketosis such as reduced inflammation and enhanced energy metabolism also may have contributed to improved neurocognitive function


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19664276

:
AC-1202 rapidly elevated serum ketone bodies in AD patients and resulted in significant differences in ADAS-Cog scores compared to the Placebo. Effects were most notable in APOE4(-) subjects who were dosage compliant.



The fact that there's currently no controlled studies on healthy humans does not invalidate all research and studies on the matter

Oh boy. Please define low carb for us. I'm interested to hear what you seem to think it is, since that isn't what most use it to mean in this context. But considering your level of knowledge, I could see why you're claiming that.

This isn't a study. Its a lit review. Shocking that you don't know the difference.

Cool study on olds with Alzheimer's. You should pop up in a thread where that is being discussed.

Cool study about sick people again.

I honestly think you just aren't intelligent enough to understand how research is done and where is it and is not applicable. I have linked pertinent studies about either 1) healthy adults to support my general claims 2) specific studies regarding the conditions that OP has. You are just copy/pasting anything you think fits your, frankly, stupid and uninformed worldview. You are actively being mocked in other threads on this sub for the degree of your misinformation. Beyond this a summary of your position (which I presented to someone since I was afraid that I misunderstanding something) resulted in a derisive: "Hah". You are under the impression that you can extrapolate studies from specific diseased patients (or children or animals) to healthy individuals or people who have brains that are actually fully developed. Beyond this, you seem to think there is a lack of study on the matter, when I have linked specific studies on the relevant populations in lieu of thought pieces.

You are a terrible poster (specifically due to offering ineffective advice that will result in worse outcomes due to your own ignorance) and actively harming everyone who listens to your advice.

More jelly + biscuit logs. Less long-winded nonsense about stuff that doesn't matter.

grunching a bit but collar is not overrated. sooo good.

on another note getting a little lost on the fasting info but most days/week i go 12-15 hrs without eating and it's nbd. i don't study much on the whole metabolism effects but i'm 38yo and it consistently works fine for me. i don't even do it for dietary reasons. frankly i just don't feel the need to eat more than 2x/day, if that. sub in a couple hard boiled eggs or a shake and one meal seems plenty

Today's Exercise:
25min walk @3.0,4°

DB row:
3x12x40

Lat pulldowns:
3x12x75

Bench machine:
3x10x120

Cleaning house: 1hr

Sat log:

Cleaning the house counts as exercise now?