Everyone knows what metamucil is for. It can be achieved via beans, lentils, fruit veggies, and potatoes just as well.

I personally think sugar free fiber supplements are fine, however. They're not a big deal.

Another issue? You mean bowel movements? That should improve with more fiber no matter where you get it from. But going the route of getting it from foods has the added bonus that it will mean you're eating more volume and making your calorie goal "easier" to hit.

Look, this stuff can be quite simple. It's not easy, but it is pretty simple. If you can long-term continue a diet with what you're eating, that's great. But from your last day of eating, the only thing with any volume vs. calories at all is the banana I guess. I mean, I could eat your whole days worth of food in one sitting extremely easily and likely only feel marginally full, not even stuffed. I have a hard time eating 1000 calories in one sitting unless I'm eating out or eating calorically dense foods at home. 1000 calories is a lot of food if you're eating lean meat, vegetables, and whole fruit. But it's terribly easy if you're drinking juice, protein powder, and taking vitamin supplements.

El D et al are correct; if you're trying to cut, you need to avoid drinking anything that has calories. I loved having my protein shakes with milk, but guess what I did when I decided to cut? I cut out the milk, which saved me like 400 calories a day.

Here's what you need to do: figure out your protein target for the day, then figure out how many calories that's likely to consume (remember to include the fat that's going to be there inherently too). What you have left over is not going to be a ton, but that's where your carbs come in. Eating a lot of veggies is going to give you more bang for your buck in terms of fiber and satiety, and I recommend eating large servings of veggies before you dig into the rest of your meal, as it helps avoid overeating the calorically dense stuff.

Basically, though, everything El D, Yugo, et al said is correct, and you just need to sack up and figure this **** out. Control your calories, eat more protein and veggies, lift some weight, and supplement with cardio as required. That's all you need.

As an experiment, try making a large salad (half a head of romaine/spinach lettuce) + cut up veggies (bell peppers, carrots, onions, snap peas, sprouts, tomatoes, etc.) + beans (garbanzo, black, etc.) + lean protein (chicken, steak, etc.) - use ~50 calories worth of oil + balsamic vinegar + spices (dill, garlic powder, salt, pepper) and drink 2 full glasses of water.

Even if you just go completely ridiculously nuts with the protein, you're not going to be able to eat over 1k calories - you're going to feel completely full.

One minor quibble: there are a lot of protein powders out there that give you a pretty good bang for your buck. He could get 50 extra grams of protein with 2 scoops of ON in water for 260 calories, and I'm sure there are powders out there with even less fat/carbs if he needed to shave a little more off the top.

Monte - protein powder is fine. But not if you're drinking most of your carbs imo, . 1500 powder/liquid calories doesn't seem sustainable for more than a few weeks.

I can't imagine there being anything fun about being extremely hungry all the damn time day after day, week after week.

Yeah that's true. My only point was that, if he's having trouble getting protein, replacing one of those ridiculous cinnamon bun things with a protein shake with 50 g of protein would have a hugely positive benefit, with the side benefit of possibly increasing satiety. I have a 3-4 scoop protein shake every afternoon and still keep my calories comfortably at 2k on non-lifting days and 2.5k on lifting days; it's definitely doable, and probably easier than him bringing 1.5 lbs of meat to work every day.

ETA: Just imagine if he replaced the OJ with 400 calories of lean protein; who cares where it comes from. It's easier for me to drink it, personally, but different strokes.

Monte - Of course. I have a protein shake almost every day too but the rest of the stuff I eat every day is completely different than Lozen. If I was hell-bent on drinking OJ and not eating veggies on a cut, I'd sub a protein shake and/or milk with actual meat. I mean, it'd still suck more but would likely suck a bit less.

Lozen,

I'm down about 85 lbs in the last couple years. If you want to see what and how I eat, send a friend request on myfitnesspal. Crashjr on there too.

I have been using Sparkpeople though My Fitness Pal now syncs with the Up and Map My Ride and a bunch others

added

accepted. Pretty sure I have the settings so that you can see the diary. Let me know if not.

Yup I can see your food diary and will switch from spark people to Fitness Pal

Will have to input some foods this week as not all there.

I was in my goals today food wise and led the dogs on a 75 minute hike with some great hills and tough trekking or me.

Dusting off the Mountain Bike Thursday

Does a 60 minute walk really burn 650 calories?

http://www.healthstatus.com/calculate/cbc

Probably not.

Maybe if it's metabolic walking that has super sick EPOC

This is more of a hike. If you saw the route and the climbs it would be close. I go by the calorie counter on the Map my Ride function. A friend whom is a trainer said those are not exact but pretty close and she has done the walks also and says they are a good workout. I use it as a guide only. I am sure its like a cardio machine that spits out your calories burned not an exact science.

Your calculator says its more if I put Hiking and walking is 626 The Map My walk/run app gives you your KM pace also

I'd suggest tabling the discussion for now and revisiting it in a month after you have 4-5 solid weeks of precise logging of your caloric intake. None of this is etched in stone, but we need baselines and don't have them yet. After all, our goal is to lose weight, calories are just the currency we barter in.

Big rocks.

Also walking the dogs is a small part of my cardio. I will be adding biking and weights.
Will be looking at your food journal also. Do you ever do anything besides an ellyptical?

Also you should see the creek I cross over a fallen tree One day Im gonna fall

Elliptical is my go to cardiotard bit. Sportcenter for an hour interspersed with perving on girls on the treadmill. In the gym I also run though I hate it and I just started rowing a couple times a week.

I kayak fish in the ocean and in the fall I officiate high school football. Both are pretty good cardio workouts. Between 4 high school games and 4 youth games a weekend i stay really active. I typically work the sidelines, so i run a lot. I don't log my dog walks or time playing ball with the dog.

Hey I dont log fetch either and are your dog walks as long as mine Rowing is the best

Added some biking today. Tried a Sweet Potato but didnt like at all

Original Weigh in April 15th 259
Last weeks 253.2
Today 249.6

Missed my Food post but Crash has full view of my Diet on Fitness pal

Friday was pretty good. Big walk with pooches and power raked and mowed my lawn which was 2-1/2 hours of tough work

Golfing Saturday First Round of the spring courses just opened

2245 calories of which 750 or so were liquid, 500 of those from wine. Needs more protein and less liquid calories but total calorie number is good.

Yard work is great exercise.