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Old 11-14-2014, 08:58 AM   #201
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So, 14 hours after the lifting -part?

Miiiiiight be just DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness). Yes they can be painful but don't really stop you from doing anything.

Or maybe a facet joint problem?
I've had those happen out of the blue, while e.g. bending/twisting my back to pick up a pencil or something off the floor. Usually last a few days but they really can be a ***** and can actually prevent you from doing things.
Once I had one of those happen when I went swimming after a lifting session and jumped into the lake off the dock.
BAM, a nasty spasm in the middle back. Hurt for a day or two but eventually went away.

Anyway, always having a good lower back posture (rigid, stabile, solid, slight arch in your lumbar spine, supported by your abs) when you load your spine (squats, overhead press, deadlift etc) is of uttermost importance when it comes to lifting.

Next time you DL, shoot a video, preferably from 3 or 9 o'clock.
Yeah, 14 hours apart. It was weird because the pain just kept on creeping in late into the night.

Yeah I will get another form video up as soon as I feel better.

I said yesterday that I didn't feel anything in my lats after DB row/lat pull downs. I feel them now lol.
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Old 11-14-2014, 10:18 AM   #202
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do you actually eat the same thing every day?
not only is it boring(and therefore more likely to make you binge) but most importantly you get shortage in vitamins/minerals/micronutrients.
balance your diet better and vary your carb sources/vegetables etc etc
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Old 11-14-2014, 11:23 AM   #203
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Yeah, 14 hours apart. It was weird because the pain just kept on creeping in late into the night.

Yeah I will get another form video up as soon as I feel better.

I said yesterday that I didn't feel anything in my lats after DB row/lat pull downs. I feel them now lol.
Stick to light weight and get another video like others have mentioned. It's important to listen to your body too though. When's the next time you DL?
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Old 11-14-2014, 11:25 AM   #204
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Or you can come lift at my gym some, I've got some free passes. It's about 45 mins from you.
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Old 11-14-2014, 11:25 AM   #205
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do you actually eat the same thing every day?
not only is it boring(and therefore more likely to make you binge) but most importantly you get shortage in vitamins/minerals/micronutrients.
balance your diet better and vary your carb sources/vegetables etc etc
If he has the time to vary things up go for it. I see no problem cooking in bulk and eating the same types of foods. I've done it for 2 years.
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Old 11-14-2014, 11:26 AM   #206
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Or you can come lift at my gym some, I've got some free passes. It's about 45 mins from you.
Def do this. Would be very beneficial.
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Old 11-14-2014, 12:36 PM   #207
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do you actually eat the same thing every day?
not only is it boring(and therefore more likely to make you binge) but most importantly you get shortage in vitamins/minerals/micronutrients.
balance your diet better and vary your carb sources/vegetables etc etc
Yeah, I do. Not bored of it yet, ha. I will def try to mix it up next time I go grocery shopping.

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Stick to light weight and get another video like others have mentioned. It's important to listen to your body too though. When's the next time you DL?
Yeah, I think I pushed too hard. You got me DLing on Thursdays.

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Or you can come lift at my gym some, I've got some free passes. It's about 45 mins from you.
Gym name? Where you at?
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Old 11-14-2014, 01:32 PM   #208
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If he has the time to vary things up go for it. I see no problem cooking in bulk and eating the same types of foods.
I have explained the problem in the post you quoted.
non-balanced diet of always the same food only concentrated on hitting macro-nutrients will inevitable lead to deficiency in certain vitamins/minerals/micro-nutrients
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Old 11-14-2014, 01:45 PM   #209
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multivitamins tho
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Old 11-14-2014, 01:54 PM   #210
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multivitamins tho
a lot of minerals/micro-nutrients are low-dosed or not included at all. multivitamins can be an addition to a balance diet but not a replacement.
personally think it's a waste of money as the ratios are just off, B6 is basically always overdosed for example(not harmful), overdosing vitamin A/D can even be harmful though(as they won't just get pissed out but pile up in the liver)

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Old 11-14-2014, 02:08 PM   #211
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absorption is usually so poor with multis that it would be very, very hard to "overdose"
also waste of money is pretty lol - what does it cost like $5 for 8439043209432 of them?
addition to a balanced diet? exactly, the kids not eating like an ethiopian here - he's getting fruit/veggies some grain a couple types of meat per day
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Old 11-14-2014, 02:14 PM   #212
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-vitamin A can be overdosed extremely easily(only a small amount required) so you almost have to avoid Vitamin A rich foods when taking a multivitamin which is fairly ridiculous.
B6 is so extremely overdosed that you piss it out all day(hello neon piss).
-5$ for nothing is a waste of money.
-eating the same food every day(resulting in multiple defencienies) is not a balanced diet
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Old 11-14-2014, 02:18 PM   #213
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cashy,

No one is arguing that eating a diverse diet with a wide variety of foods with overlapping macro and micronutrient profiles is optimal, but the part that you seem to be missing is that it's a relatively small rock in comparison to this guy getting on a diet, actually learning how to eat, and learning how to plan his meals such that he can consistently hit his goals. Sure, poaching salmon at exactly 79 C for 55 minutes would be better than throwing some chicken that he bulk cooked last weekend into the microwave for the fourth consecutive day, but maybe he doesn't have the time or the inclination to do that. Maybe once he does this for a few months, he'll branch out, learn some new recipes, and make three or four smaller versions of a rotating version of recipes over the weekend that he can eat during the week, and mix in some fresh fish a day or two a week if he likes it and can afford it. Maybe he won't. Ultimately it's not super important unless the lack of variety causes compliance issues, which it may or may not.

Some pretty extreme #foodprivilege and #timeprivilege being demonstrated ITT.
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Old 11-14-2014, 02:23 PM   #214
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cashy,

No one is arguing that eating a diverse diet with a wide variety of foods with overlapping macro and micronutrient profiles is optimal, but the part that you seem to be missing is that it's a relatively small rock in comparison to this guy getting on a diet, actually learning how to eat, and learning how to plan his meals such that he can consistently hit his goals.
that's exactly what i'm arguing for
if he eats the same 3 meals every single day and tries to plug the unbalanced diet with supplements he won't learn anything about proper nutrition.

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cashy,

Sure, poaching salmon at exactly 79 C for 55 minutes would be better than throwing some chicken that he bulk cooked last weekend would be better, but maybe he doesn't have the time or the inclination to do that. Some pretty extreme #foodprivilege and #timeprivilege being demonstrated ITT.
???
you seem to be missing the point(or confusing this with another thread), never even brought up cooking here.
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Old 11-14-2014, 02:29 PM   #215
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Everyone's making good points to be honest, and I think the right answer is somewhere in the middle. Some meals can definitely be eaten every day. Some things can be varied at zero/minimal effort. I agree that varying some things is good, but I also agree that it's not the biggest deal.

A better solution - in the context of zero dietary variation - though is to plug the diet into a tracking program, see what the actual deficiencies are, and if they're important then to just supplement them directly. Like calcium and magnesium for example. Or add in a specific food to address it. Maybe more veggies or something.

ETA: veggies are actually surprisingly easy to vary anyway, and honestly that solves most problems. If you have 2 veggies with dinner for example, buy a few different ones and just pick and choose.
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itt we discover cashy is in fact pregnant
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cashy,

You're being a nit. Stop it. There's a process to this guy learning how to eat, and talking about balancing his ****ing vitamin intake is just going to make his eyes glaze over. Yes, rotating in some German quinoa or ancient Prussian wheat that's high in protein and has high amounts of bioabsorable selenium is great, but building up the ability to 1) stick with a diet and roughly keep the same macros for a non-trivial length of time and 2) figure out what he likes to eat within the context of his macro constraints is far more important.

I legit don't understand what your point here is, other than loleurotardia.
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Old 11-14-2014, 02:37 PM   #218
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Everyone's making good points to be honest, and I think the right answer is somewhere in the middle. Some meals can definitely be eaten every day. Some things can be varied at zero/minimal effort. I agree that varying some things is good, but I also agree that it's not the biggest deal.

A better solution - in the context of zero dietary variation - though is to plug the diet into a tracking program, see what the actual deficiencies are, and if they're important then to just supplement them directly. Like calcium and magnesium for example. Or add in a specific food to address it. Maybe more veggies or something.

ETA: veggies are actually surprisingly easy to vary anyway, and honestly that solves most problems. If you have 2 veggies with dinner for example, buy a few different ones and just pick and choose.
very good advice
also think that tracking everything exactly in a tracking program is a great idea at first, will highlight certain deficiencies and you can make slight adjustments based on that. After a while the tracking won't even be necessary anymore.

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cashy,

You're being a nit. Stop it. There's a process to this guy learning how to eat, and talking about balancing his ****ing vitamin intake is just going to make his eyes glaze over. Yes, rotating in some German quinoa or ancient Prussian wheat that's high in protein and has high amounts of bioabsorable selenium is great, but building up the ability to 1) stick with a diet and roughly keep the same macros for a non-trivial length of time and 2) figure out what he likes to eat within the context of his macro constraints is far more important.

I legit don't understand what your point here is, other than loleurotardia.
actually you are, i'm not arguing for him to include some outlandish food into his diet, just to not eat the same thing every single day.
not hard to understand.
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cashy,

What part of "it's a process" do you not get? If he can get by eating the same stuff every day, then fine. If he can't, he'll figure it out, and adjust a la saw's plan or as per EV's instruction. That's pretty much all there is to it.
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why does he have to figure it out himself?
getting valuable advice from knowledgeable people can't hurt, I certainly would have appreciated it if someone explained all this to me 8 years ago when I was getting intro nutrition and started out on an imbalanced bodybuilding type diets like this.
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cashy,

This isn't productive; best of luck with your (admittedly quite intriguing) food porn blog.

OP,

My apologies.
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very good advice
also think that tracking everything exactly in a tracking program is a great idea at first, will highlight certain deficiencies and you can make slight adjustments based on that. After a while the tracking won't even be necessary anymore.
Since he's eating basically the same thing daily we could do this based on what he's logged in here.

I would suspect it's way closer to hitting micro-nutrient recs than you think.
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Old 11-14-2014, 03:08 PM   #223
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No one is arguing that eating a diverse diet with a wide variety of foods with overlapping macro and micronutrient profiles is optimal, but the part that you seem to be missing is that it's a relatively small rock in comparison to this guy getting on a diet, actually learning how to eat, and learning how to plan his meals such that he can consistently hit his goals. Sure, poaching salmon at exactly 79 C for 55 minutes would be better than throwing some chicken that he bulk cooked last weekend into the microwave for the fourth consecutive day, but maybe he doesn't have the time or the inclination to do that. Maybe once he does this for a few months, he'll branch out, learn some new recipes, and make three or four smaller versions of a rotating version of recipes over the weekend that he can eat during the week, and mix in some fresh fish a day or two a week if he likes it and can afford it. Maybe he won't. Ultimately it's not super important unless the lack of variety causes compliance issues, which it may or may not.

Some pretty extreme #foodprivilege and #timeprivilege being demonstrated ITT.
You pretty much hit it. It's just very convenient for me right now and it isn't breaking the bank. I know that sooner or later I will get bored of the same foods like cashy said, and when that time hits I will change it up. Like you said, it's a start. Remember, I use to sleep in, skip breakfast, and eat out 4-5 times a week(sometimes for lunch and dinner). I hated cooking, I was pounding down junk/fast food. I kind of enjoy preparing my own meals now and I know how much of it I'm getting, what's in it, etc..

I don't disagree with cashy, he has valid points. Let's all just meet in the middle..
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Old 11-14-2014, 04:18 PM   #224
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Really good going n1h. I think you've started brilliantly.
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cashy,

This isn't productive; best of luck with your (admittedly quite intriguing) food porn blog.

OP,

My apologies.
Mature response Monte. Basically how I feel too after reading the past few posts. I'll respond later. Currently at the grocery store buying some more chicken...
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