Wait, Aidan you're not trolling? He looks incredibly lean in his unflexed pic imo. Leaner than I've ever aspired to be tbh (and I do want to be pretty lean some day).

Yea, been saying this forever. At 5'9" your lifetime goal should be ripped 180+ or slightly fluffier 185+.

Mine's probably similar, minus 10 lbs or so.

saw,

I think he's saying that he doesn't think it's worth the incredible focus and dedication to look that lean walking around unpumped, as he looks not that big. EV seems like he agrees (hence the bulking cycle) and I probably do too, to an extent, although I'm still trying to lean out a bit, so wtf do I know.

However, it does seem like he's the only one that has successfully done the first part of the "cut down to 10% and then lean mass/mini-cut cycle to gain LBM" protocol, so more power to him imo.

Fully agree with Monte's post. That's the life of a natty, even with laser focus like. EV's.

Not worth the focus to look that lean, period? Or not worth the focus to look that lean with that amount of LBM? I guess I'm contending the former. The latter I agree with.

I think it's worth it to look that lean, although it's unlikely I'm ever going to be able to make it there, because my divorce paperwork will be finalized long before it happens. That said, I probably think it's worth it because I have poor ab definition and lose weight from there last; someone like BTM or ww that has ab definition at 15%+ probably has a slightly different opinion.

Ty and I will when you correct your grammar.

I don't think Aidan was trolling. I took it as, it's not worth the time and amount of sacrifices to hit 9-10% bf while having that amount of muscle mass. While I agree about the muscle mass, we should all keep in mind I am still at the early stages of my lifting career. I have only been on a consistent routine and caring somewhat about nutrition for 2-3 years now. That's nothing. I hope that my the time I'm 30, I'll still look like I'm 25 and I'll actually look like I lift unflexed.

Yea seems like we're all pretty much in agreement and my "latter" sentence was the more intended one. Are you 25? I thought you were way younger than me for some reason.

Great work, dedication. Def looks like you train seriously.

Agreed and I'm 26. Dem asian genetics make me look younger lol.

looks good in the unflexed/unpumped pic imo. I can see lower ab/crotch veins. Girls confirmed salivating if EV goes to the beach.

Love EV's attitude at 26. Sky's the limit.

Let's not toss the baby out with the jizz rags. I never said he didn't look lean, just that the majority of the time it doesnt look as impressive as the pic you all got soaking wet too, and that maybe the last bit of effort to drop a few more %bf could have been better spent on the lat pulldown machine.

That said, impressive dedication and an impressive feat. Levels beyond what I could do.

This conversation is ridiculous. who doesn't do a pump session before they go to the beach?

Crotch veins are out of control. They never been like this before. I would post a pic but that would be a bit too much, even for me. I used these crotch vein pics to acquire full blown noodz from a 40 y/o milf recently so would feel weird posting the same pic to a bunch of guys lol.

If 40 yo is hot, you can send.

Sorry brah, her tits are too big to fit in PM.

Not even once bro

8/16/14
Week 7 day 5
Weight: 164.0

- Squatting is coming along nicely. Still no pains but it def wasn't a breeze today. On week 4 I did 185x2 then 195x2 so I'm pumped to see what my 2 rep max is now. My goal was to hit 225 by the end of this program. I'm confident I can hit 205x2 minimum this coming week.

- I no longer am being coached. I am way too busy with work, gym time, hanging out with gf now that she's home, prepping meals, etc to be concerned with weekly updates and do specific cardio and workouts. I rather do what fits best into my schedule especially since I need to start training for academy. He has done an exceptional job but I need to do what's best for my career right now.

- I'm gonna have to raise my calories soon prob Monday or so. I have been fluctuating between 164-165 lbs for the last 4 weeks. It is good to know I have maintained the same weight and increased strength though.

Box jumps 5x3

Squats 3x6 85% 183 lbs
185x6 x3

Lunges 4x10
30x10 x4

RDL 4x10
95x10
135x10 x2

Hyper extensions 3x15

Abs

Haters gonna hate, also woat lightning in the 2nd pic.

Very impressive progress, one of the better h+f logs to lurk when it comes to dedication and clear goal setting.

Thanks and yeah that's the best lightning out of all of the gyms I goto lol.

Alright, I've been doing a lot of thinking lately. In terms of macros, routine, how many days a week to workout, overall progress, better myself all around.

I'm currently drinking so my thoughts may be all over the place but I'm speaking the truth. I'll probably do a big post soon about dieting and how it's affected my life because I think people here will actually read it and give a chit. As of right now, I need to focus on bulking at a better pace. My cut ended 12-13 weeks ago and I only gained 5 lbs since then. I did plan on doing a small surplus and go slowly but it's time to make adjustments. Honestly, I've kept the same macros since the end of my cut but have had a bunch of chest meals each week and cut a ton of cardio out. I need to keep my cardio going because I am highly likely to be accepted into police academy in dec. and it will be for half a year. That means I have until dec to bulk and that's it. Academy will be 6 days a week from 6am-4pm and a hour commute each way. There is only one break each day for food which varies from 15-30 mins. I am really annoyed at this but I'll figure out exactly what to do when the time comes.

This is the first time in like the past 18 months that I am ditching carb cycling. I honestly feel it's only useful when cutting. I believe the point of carb cycling is so you have more energy for workout days. On a nutritional stand point, eating less on non workout days due to decrease activity makes no phucking sense. It would make more sense to eat less the day before a non workout day. Digestion itself takes a long ass time.

This is week 8 and I'm pumped to test out my numbers for bench/squat/DL. I'm adjusting my macros and happy I don't have to go crazy with carb cycling because I feel like I'm doing a stupid math problem every single day. As you can probably tell, I'm getting sick of counting everything and since I'm bulking if I don't wanna count I'm not going to do it. I have a new philosophy, unless I'm cutting I am not going to be anal about macros. There is no need because I'm very good at estimating what I eat now. Kinda agree with Loco in some aspects with raising calories and hitting protein, what difference does the rest make when u are past noob gainz anyway. Also, going to be decreasing protein because it has been proven all you really need is .75-1g per lb of bw. Probably less but I would like to hit that at absolute minimum. Time to use everything I read about and using it all.

I also think there is a outlining difference between those who use iifym and flexible dieting. I know, it might sound like the same thing. I thought the same thing at first. Over the past 3 months I have met over a ton of people on Facebook in the age group of 16-50 who track as much as I do. Until I started talking to these individuals, I started to notice huge huge differences in diet. Some people take iifym and literally created a monster out of it. I truly understand what Alan Aragon is talking about now. They will drink protein shakes all day just so they can eat more junk food and processed foods. No balance at all. They will just say it fits my macros lol. Unbelievable.

New macros
2,748 calories
52g fats
360g carbs
210g protein

Overall, I agree with most of what you said; seems like you're starting to come around with a lot of things I've been saying for a while. I'd go even further though and say most of that stuff doesn't make a difference for cutting either.

What's with the 210g protein macro if you want to do 0.75-1g/lb? The upper end of that for your bodyweight should be like 110 grams right?

That was way too coherent for someone who has been drinking. FatSaw would be embarrassed.

overall though, I have a feeling a lot of posters find your log pretty interesting so more general musings may be anecdotally helpful. Except loco, we all know he is captain of the SS Haterbrigade™.

I think once you throw fiber into the mix, iifym and flexible dieting turns into the same thing. Not completely, but pretty much. If you throw micronutrients into it then yes.

Flexible makes much more sense though. Don't eat like a tad, hit your macros, and chances are you'll have a few hundred cals left over for some "junk". I just put together my eating plan for the week and for me my "junk" is peanut butter toast with a tall glass of milk.