According to Layne, it takes 6 weeks alone to get used to the program. I guess that is where we are different, I do not care about my numbers and my strength I care more about aesthetics. Obviously the two are linked but some people only care about going up in their max bench/deadlift/squats more than anything else. You do not need to push a lot of weight to look ripped as chit. Granted you will be strong but not as strong as others in the height/weight as you. I would admit it is hard to be going strong throughout every single workout for the whole duration of the workout.

I have far but strong legs and is obviously something I need to work on so your points may be accurate, I really do not know. All i can say is that on your power day you are doing low reps for everything.

Will do brah, gl and keep to your macros/routine and you will get it done.

source?

First week of bulk 9/2-9/9 complete.. All the macros were around 2500-2600 calories and now I weigh 165.8 as of today 9/9. I weigh myself around the same time when I goto the gym, nothing in pockets, take off shoes. I do not know my exact weight the start of this thread probably 164-165. I'm going to use the same macros this week and adjust them the week after. I have been super sore even with the off days. My body is getting used to the new routine.

Date: 9/9/13
Pwo: 1 Scoop Craze
Weight: 165.8
Monday- Lower Body Hypertrophy
Speed Work 65%-70%

BB Squats:
135x8
185x5
205x5
225x3
245x3
245x3
245x3
245x3
245x3

Squat Machine:
190x15
210x12

Leg Press:
180x8
180x8
180x8

Leg Extensions:
85x15
100x15
115x20
115x18
115x17

Romanian Deadlift:
135x12
155x12
155x12

Lying Leg Curls:
125x8
140x10
125x12

Calf Raise Machine:
150x15
150x15
150x15

Standing Calf Machine:
170x12
170x12
170x12

Abs- 2 exercises

What is your claim?

All you said was that it was different so far. That, I guess I cannot dispute. But I think to discuss what I had previously assumed we would discuss, you need to make some sort of claim about isolate.

I believe whey protein isolate absorbs better and from the products I have seen has higher grams of protein. Isolate is the purest form of whey protein.

Very doubtful. And if I'm wrong, we're talking about like a 1% difference in absorption efficiency. See: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...stibility.html

will read up on this after the gym, thanks for the link.

saw- If you could get whey protein and whey protein isolate at the same price which would you get?

Date: 9/10/13
Pwo: 1 Scoop Craze
Weight: 165.6
Tuesday- Back/Shoulders/Abs Hypertrophy
Speed Work 65%-70%

T-Bar Row:
90x10
135x5
135x3
145x3
145x3
155x3
155x3

V-Bar Lat Pulldowns:
140x12
160x10
160x10

Seated Cable Row:
140x10
160x10
160x10

DB Row:
85x12
90x15

Close Grip Pulldown Machine:
35x15
35x20

Seated DB Shoulder Press:
65x12
65x10
65x10

DB Shrugs:
100x15
110x13
110x15

Lateral DB Raise:
30x15
30x15
35x15

Cable Crossovers:
20x20
25x18
25x16
25x15

Abs- 2 exercises

Bulking application - approved. You are lean enough. Now bulk.

IEL application - rejected bro. Check bustoinhawaii noodz from a couple months back. That's what we are looking for to be considered IEL around here. He also does 26 pull-ups. Deadlifts 2.5 bodyweight. Presses 1.5 bodyweight. And has benched 2x bodyweight. A legend.

The good news is you got potential and you are still young. Some of us got the olds and will never make it.

Currently bulking, on dat slow lean bulk. Dumb question, what is IEL? Busto is obviously very strong but how are his aesthetics? Benching 2x is absolutely ridiculous. I thought I was doing good benching 225 weighing 165 haha. Thanks but look younger than I am, dem asian genetics.

9/10/13- Tuesday

2,498 calories
63g fats
252g carbs
241g protein

Went over in protein, took too much in shakes pre/post gym.

DYEL = Do You Even Lift?

I'll let you figure out what IEL means based on that.

I could be wrong but I don't think Busto has ever pressed 1.5x or benched 2x.

It'd probably be based off of things like taste and how well it mixes with things like oatmeal and greek yogurt. I really don't consume much protein powder in general, just to spice up those type of meals.

EV,

busto's nudes are in his log, but he has the best aesthetics in the forum without a doubt (his lats are probably wider than he is tall).

This forum discovery journey you're on must be fun.

Ill check out his log but those are pretty redic numbers. Yeah I get them for the same price, 20$ for either of them with 26 servings. Regular whey has 18g protein and isolate has 30g protein. That's the main reason why I go with isolate.

I just checked out his log for his pics. He is pretty short but has good aesthetics. Seems to have good metabolism as well, saw a few days he would eat over 150g fats. Excited to see members who are so beastly, gives me more motivation.

You might just be getting ****ty regular whey. You can pretty easily find regular whey's with the same macros as all other lean sources (5/1 calorie/protein)

I get ON Gold Standard 100% Whey from Amazon for about 50 bucks per 5 lb tub, and it's got 130 cal, 24 g protein and 5 g carbs per serving (71 total). Pretty good stuff imo

The other thing to keep in mind is serving size.

ON Gold Standard is 30g for 24g of protein.

ON Performance Whey Isolate is 37g for 30g protein

So both are ~80% protein by weight. You don't get more protein with the Isolate, the scoop is just bigger.

I'm betting its the same with whatever you've been using, though 12g is a noticeable amount more physically, so unless you've seen the scoops side by side...

Interesting. Going to compare them right now. Thanks for the responses.

Aight so the regular whey protein scooper is 25g and isolate is 36g. Both of the protein amounts are accurate in my previous post. The isolate has 25 servings while regular whey has 36 servings. I still think I'm going with the isolate because 30g protein per scoop is solid and is the same price.

9/11/13- Wednesday (off)
2,516 calories
74g fats
243g carbs
219g protein