Journey from lean (164 lbs 11%) to ripped (180 lbs 10%) - Page 89

This isn't for me. It's just me babbling. Trying to learn whatever I can. How many weeks was your cut and did it suppress your appetite?

I was always under the impression any supplement that claimed to suppress your appetite was total bs because no matter what you would still never be satisfied with calories constantly decreased. Just felt it was one of those things where you needed to be mentally strong.

The bolded bit pretty much nails it.

My cut was many weeks (it's at the beginning of my log). Only did EC for awhile, though... on and off, really. My body is very sensitive to stimulants, so I used to dose at less than half the regular dose.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 12:20 PM

#2202

KPowers

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 13,180

Take 240mg of pseudo ephedrine and you won't eat for three days.

make your first cycle count, because tolerance builds up, and it never goes away no matter how long you cycle off

Quote

10-31-2014 , 12:20 PM

#2203

ExpectedV

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 14,308

Quote:

Originally Posted by aura

Ok cool. Sounds like you were smart about it.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 12:23 PM

#2204

ExpectedV

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 14,308

Quote:

Originally Posted by KPowers

Take 240mg of pseudo ephedrine and you won't eat for three days.

make your first cycle count, because tolerance builds up, and it never goes away no matter how long you cycle off

That's what I was reading. Something like 20mg eph and 200mg caffeine three times a day is the standard dose for someone who used at least a cycle be4.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 12:44 PM

#2205

KPowers

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 13,180

Ephedrine and pseudo are different. Pseudo is more appetite suppressing, ephedrine HCL is more of a stimulant.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 01:28 PM

#2206

kidcolin

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 109,033

Why are you talking about cutting drugs EV?

Quote

10-31-2014 , 01:44 PM

#2207

The Yugoslavian

STTF HUC II Winner

Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 25,040

You heard loco. Dude isn't even sub 10.

Fat. Cut.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 01:48 PM

#2208

Montecore

RPElf = +EV

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 82,118

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidcolin

Why are you talking about cutting drugs EV?

I believe it's for his numerous personal training clients.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 01:58 PM

#2209

saw7988

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 11,463

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExpectedV

Thanks Saw. I didn't know it suppressed appetite. Have you always been intolerable to drugs or is it because of how many different drugs you have used in the past? And when you were on EC what dosages did you use and what dosages did you start at?

To my understanding it raises your sns which drops almost immediately upon doing a stupid crash diet. I assume the same is true once you hit poverty calories.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExpectedV

That's what I was reading. Something like 20mg eph and 200mg caffeine three times a day is the standard dose for someone who used at least a cycle be4.

Nah I was never like a hardcore druggie or anything... just have always had a pretty insensitive/tolerant body.

That's the standard dose. Ramp up the E from 1->3 doses over 2-4 days though imo. Half the time I just use coffee for the C.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KPowers

Ephedrine and pseudo are different. Pseudo is more appetite suppressing, ephedrine HCL is more of a stimulant.

Interesting. Is there a common drug (a la Bronkaid/Primatene) that contains the pseudo?

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidcolin

Why are you talking about cutting drugs EV?

This, but

Quote:

Originally Posted by Montecore

I believe it's for his numerous personal training clients.

probably this.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 02:09 PM

#2210

KPowers

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 13,180

There are lots of things that contain Pseudo. For $10 I will tell you.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 03:06 PM

#2211

ExpectedV

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 14,308

Quote:

Originally Posted by KPowers

There are lots of things that contain Pseudo. For $10 I will tell you.

Should have said $9.99, $10 sounds a tad too much.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 03:07 PM

#2212

loco

The First Golden

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 14,843

Sounds like he wants to rip down to 24" waist and 10" noodle arms. Hardcore for sure.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 03:07 PM

#2213

kidcolin

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 109,033

If I paying someone to get me lean and I found out he was axing dudes on the Internet about ec stack so he could then advise me to take ec stack, well I'd say you're fired and good day sir.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 03:12 PM

#2214

ExpectedV

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 14,308

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Yugoslavian

You heard loco. Dude isn't even sub 10.

Fat. Cut.

Lol, guess I'll never be loco sub 10% then. This is probably the lowest I'll ever be unless I compete and hopefully by then I'll gain enough muscle mass that I won't have to hit poverty sub 160 again.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 03:19 PM

#2215

ExpectedV

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 14,308

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidcolin

If I paying someone to get me lean and I found out he was axing dudes on the Internet about ec stack so he could then advise me to take ec stack, well I'd say you're fired and good day sir.

No, I won't be advising anyone in using the EC or ECA stacks. This is purely for my own interest. I already know the correct dosages to use for them, side effects, and obvious signs/factors people have/display who should not be using them. I was just asking for feedback. I'm the type of person who likes to hear other peoples personal opinion on products and theories who have experience with these things. Value both scientific data as well as these opinions.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 03:44 PM

#2216

ExpectedV

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 14,308

Quote:

Originally Posted by loco

Sounds like he wants to rip down to 24" waist and 10" noodle arms. Hardcore for sure.

Incorrect sir, dat will never happen. Would likely get sick at that point and probably die.

13" arms checking in
14" flexed

Spoiler:

Quote

10-31-2014 , 03:54 PM

#2217

loco

The First Golden

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 14,843

Sickening vascularity. Don't see how they can only be 14". I think only solution is for me to come down to New Jersey and have a Nood-Off versus this guy. I was thinking the other day that my almost 42" chest measurement has to be off. That I unconsciously blow myself up like a ballon and spread my lats like a cobra and then measure. Certainly a possibility. But the arm measurement is pretty hard to mess up.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 04:10 PM

#2218

Montecore

RPElf = +EV

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 82,118

Make sure you guys film the Nood-Off so you can make some money via some gay fetish sites.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 04:13 PM

#2219

Weasel45

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 6,284

Quote:

Originally Posted by loco

I was thinking the other day that my almost 42" chest measurement has to be off.

WTF. I know nothing about chest measurements but i just measured mine and it was like 47 or 48" but I weigh 70 lbs more than you.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 04:27 PM

#2220

loco

The First Golden

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 14,843

That sounds right Weas. Barrel physique. 48" down to 40" belly.

But EV gets 34.5" chest down to 28" waist with 13" guns. Doesn't seem right, or his physique is an illusion.

I get 41.5" to 31.25". Straight up facking Ryu/Ken from street fighter. Hay-do-Ken!!!

Quote

10-31-2014 , 04:30 PM

#2221

Weasel45

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 6,284

Loco, i just measured my guns. 14" cold not flexed. On a scale of 1-10 how bad is that for my size?

Quote

10-31-2014 , 04:44 PM

#2222

loco

The First Golden

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 14,843

Seems a bit weaksauce but not too bad. They probably 16+" flexed. So much easier to measure them flexed.

Worst arms ever is Syndrom.

The gold standard minimum man armsize is to not fit in that blood pressure cuff measurement machine at Walmart. That thing feels like it's going to pop when I get my blood pressure checked. Would like to bust that machine one day. Probably need another inch or two.

You shouldn't fit into that Weas. If you do, you should feel real bad and start doing more chins and cgbp ASAP.

Last edited by loco; 10-31-2014 at 04:50 PM.

Quote

10-31-2014 , 04:55 PM

#2223

KPowers

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 13,180

cold unflexed? wtf is this

just measured chest. imo this needs someone else to help as arm placement changes the numbers a huge amount. I got 41" the first time and 44" the second time when I forced my elbows down.

Weirdly, chest measurement is unflexed because it's for clothing not for dickwaving on forums and in locker rooms.