Well I'm with you on people increasing their fibre and fruit & veg consumption. That's just commonsense really.

At least bearmarkets was entertaining

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False per nutritionfact.com

I dont eat cereal. I dont eat any food out of boxes. Almond milk has almost no protein.

I'm done discussing soy.

Grass fed beef is not the same as organic beef, but what difference does it make to you? You are brainwashed with misinformation, so you wont eat it either way.

Lots of doctors are ignorant, like the ones who advocate vegan diets for health reasons.

As far as the effects it has on human health, it virtually is.



It doesn't matter if it's grass fed, if it's organic, or if someone pets the cow all its life, it's still the same animal, with saturated fat, trans fat, cholesterol, the cancer-promoting growth hormone IGF-1 problem, arachidonic adic, carnitine/TMAO connection, perfluorochemicals, the aging/telomere shortening issue, etc.

Grass fed beef doesn't escape any of those problems. This is akin to a cannibal trying to tell me eating vegan human meat is health promoting. And I would say the same thing to the cannibal. It doesn't matter what the human ate all their lives. Eating human meat will still cause the same problems. The reason why people are confused about grass fed meat is because corporate marketing is very effective.

If this thread is going to remain open, I vote for a thread title that says something about nutritionfacts.org since that seems to be what the thread is actually about.

Posts like these are the only reason this thread hasn't been locked. Amazing.

Maybe eliminating meat from the menu would also just be commonsense today if it wasn't for the meat industry doing everything they can to suppress the truth over the last 4 decades.

I can almost say this. I've been eating breakfast bars during strength training for carbs, and Quest Bars at work/on the road.

What should I eat/drink for fast carbs during the workout? I'm looking for mainly performance, easy to digest, also not super expensive and not so messy that someone might yell at me for eating it.

Have you considered 1kg of oatmeal and stuff?

bob,

Are you seriously asking for real diet advice in this thread out of all possible threads?

A+ posts

I don't know what it is, but I find OPs approach to presenting this information to be really pushing me away rather than even contemplating any of its potential usefulness

IMO, in any debate the burden of proof rests on the person with the "controversial" claim. Think about the kinda people that populate this forum. Read their blogs. It's mostly people who eat the wrong food, get fat, and then try to exercise their way out of the mess they unwittingly created, and very likely fail in the long run because they don't know that you can't exercise your way out of a bad diet. IOW these people are typical Americans. Most of them are running around worrying about where they're gonna get their protein, most think milk "does a body good" and is "good for your bones", most think "grilled chicken is healthy", most think cheese is ok "in moderation", most think eggs are "a good source of protein", etc.

In short, most here have the usual views that are consistent with the culture they live in and naturally their views neatly serve the profit interests of very large, culture dominating, concentrated sources of domestic power (think meat, dairy, and egg industry, and indirectly the pharmaceutical industry). Their view is the standard view. The burden of proof doesn't rest on them. They can post one-liners and opinions and it's perfectly ok, and that's the way it should be. When you're on the other side, making controversial claims you are obligated to back up your claims, and that's why, as much as I can, I'm gonna back up what I say with the best science I can find.

Just remember, no matter what you think about me, your penis hangs in the balance!

ILP,

How about naming some names, bro!

I'm not really even against your point of view, but what you've been posting is nothing near "the best science" that could be found.

Hint: you get all your information from one source. Yes, that source is getting IT'S information from other sources, but it's picking and choosing, and in a lot of cases very clearly misrepresenting that data.

You're essentially a member of a cult

Look man all I'm saying is that if I come into this forum and say "grilled chicken is healthy", I don't have to back that up. That's the default position. If I say "grilled chicken is bad for you", now I'm obligated to make my case. Now you may not accept my case for good reasons or bad reasons. I mean maybe I made a ****ty case, but I have to present something. That's just the way things work.

A decent analogy to this concept is the atheism vs religion debate. (I'm an atheist in case that's relevant). Atheists always try to claim that the burden of proof is on the religious person because they are the one making the claim. Of course atheists are technically and logically correct, but that's not how the real world works. If you're in a culture that believes in god and you claim that belief is delusional, the onus is on you to demonstrate it. In the real world, whether one likes it or not, the burden of proof is always on the minority viewpoint (logic be damned).

Like I've said before, IMO when it comes to evidenced based nutrition there is no site on the internet better. I can't even imagine the work these people do, going over thousands of peer reviewed studies per year, and then condensing them into watchable short videos and short blogs. For those that actually care about their health and not finding excuses to continue their bad habits this site is a godsend.

Just to reiterate, that's the beauty of the site. It's not just once source. In fact the site doesn't produce any of it's own science. It's a massive collection of uncountable sources distilled into a watchable/readable format with ZERO CORPORATE INFLUENCE which is such a breath of fresh air in a world where corporate marketing = truth, and corporate funded research = science.

But yeah, you're free to think I'm a cult member or that nutritionfacts.com is Russian propaganda or secretly funded by big broccoli to brainwash us to eat plants or something. Whatever floats your boat man. You are not obligated at all to accept the evidence I present.

Anyways, for those interested in learning more about how nutritionfacts.org operates see below:



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ILP929,

Apparently you missed this part of Rusty's post.

Don't really care about broad cherry picking claims/claims of misrepresenting data. Although if someone has something concrete/specific to bring up that they have an issue with about any study referenced in any of the videos/blogs, I encourage them to post it (not just for me but for others also), and I'll take a look.

Generally speaking, either the evidence presented is compelling or not and that's in the eye of the beholder. I obviously find the evidence I use to back up my claims compelling. Others itt obviously don't. That's fine. My obligation is to back my claims up with evidence, that's it, not to "win" debates/convince the other side. If people don't find the evidence I present compelling that's fine, then we agree to disagree and move on. As is the case with most internet discussions, it's the lurkers who benefit the most, not the participants. Whether they agree with me or not, if they learn even one new thing--not necessarily from me--from any discussion, then the whole affair is worth it.

Not sure if you'll find this relevant, but there are health promoting plant based snack bars out there. Larabars are my favorite. Most of their snacks have only whole food ingredients--i.e. no added oils or added sugars--with only a small amount of added sodium. Some don't even have any added sodium (E.G. the cashew cookie bar). These healthy snacks can be easily found at all grocery stores near me so probably the same with you too (Kroger, Whole Foods, Sprouts). The peanut butter cookie bar is my favorite but there's a lot of tasty ones.

Go Raw also has a lot of healthy snacks. Don't think you can find them at Kroger, but definitely at Whole Foods.

There are other plant based bars I'm forgetting right now. If at Whole Foods you can take some time to check them out. Just keep in mind, never rely on the brand or whatever the marketing slogan is. Always check the ingredients. For me personally, if there's any added sugar or added oils or refined grains, I'm not buying it.

A relevant video on the subject:

Tackling this meat eating/evolution thing once again, first I want to point out that I'm not really impressed with any evolutionary just so story about humans and meat. Frankly I just don't see the relevance. We have all kinds of evidence that meat is disease causing RIGHT NOW. That's what we should be concerned with. So yeah, we could engage in a major poasting war where you keep linking me to cool story bro evolutionary tales about big brains and meat and I can keep coming back with my own cool story bro evolutionary tales about cooked starches and big brains. Or I could copy paste other cool story bros from people like "the editor-in-chief of the American Journal of Cardiology":

I could also bring up the fact that 2.6 million years ago (from your link) is a pretty arbitrary place in time. Why not focus on what our ancestors ate over the last 20 million years instead? We do have some information on the topic after all:



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But at the end of the day none of that **** matters. Like EVEN IF scientists proved without a shadow of a doubt that we got our big brains from eating meat. Why should we care? It wouldn't change the fact that eating meat is harming and killing us and our loved ones RIGHT NOW. It wouldn't change the fact that if we're at least 10 years old odds are we probably already have some form of heart disease. That's the real issue here.

I mean, I happen to find the below just so story convincing enough on explaining the apparent paradox of why eating meat causes us chronic disease today even tho our ancestors did eat some meat:

Source.

But again, evolutionary just so stories may be fun to talk/debate about but they don't really get at the heart of the matter (pun intended).