I know I thought the only variable was going WFPB

Either way he makes a valid point it could have been anything and I’m not going to say I did an exact study as I wasn’t tracking anything so you got me there

The body is so much more complex than to just counting calories.. the food we eat has covalent bonds w water so it’s not just about a calorie in vs calorie out formula it’s closer to how the food interacts with our body. Certain food hydrates us like WFPB fruits and vegetables with naturally occurring water bonds and certain foods dries us out like processed food with preservatives , dry cooked meat, dry salty cheese where water is literally cooked out of your food forcing you to have to drink water which isn’t bonded to anything which makes the whole vicious cycle. It’s important to eat food that hydrates you. If you want to live GTO I think WFPB is key to doing it.

Lmao

Don't know if you watched the video, but he said that he had a lot more energy now, though. I'm pretty sure I've read in H&F that this is the single most important factor in what diet is good, feeling like you have a lot more energy.

Maybe give it a try and see how it feels? Maybe you can become as big as that guy.

lol, more energy and sharpened mental state. We're all seeking it.


I suspect that's exactly what would happen if I switched to that diet, I'd lose 50+ pounds of muscle.

But just think of all that energy you would feel!

Maybe if G4S went with the Literally Only Chickpeas Diet* (LOCD), he would keep his gains.

Wait, what side are you on here?

I am allergic to soy. Every time I eat any of it, I get the runs. Aside from that, soy raises estrogen levels. I've had several doctors and a nutritionist tell me to keep eating beef. Grass fed beef is the best food for me.

Grass fed beef is lol... how’s the cow getting enough protein?

Observable science like our teeth are flat so better design for eating WFPB

If someone ingests enough soy to raise their estrogen levels......well, are they even eating anything else, ever?

http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/

Also, as an alternative fact/anecdotal truth, I have pointy teeth.

One question and this should undermine that entire article...

How did they know what people ate 2.6m years ago?

This is clear evidence of scientism with no first hand proof whatsoever..

I’m willing to debate food all day using actual observable evidence.. but to make claims about something 2.6m years ago and pass it off as fact is not science.

I didn't pass it off as fact. I added it to the thread for your consideration. But I'm guessing you'll give it the same consideration that I've given your "dinosaurs are fake" assertion.

I still have pointy teeth though. Hard to argue with those.

It says in his location.

If you at plants at maintenance and still were fat do you predict you would have experienced the same positive benefits?

Just like OP the benefits came with LOSING WEIGHT. So which was it?

edit: slow pony I guess

Yes, exactly. It wasn't calorie controlled. That was the entire point. People tend to get nervous about adding calorically dense stuff like dried fruit and nuts to their diet. They worry that they'll gain weight. What the study showed was IF you add a 340 calorie dried fruit & nut bar you will not gain weight over an 8 week period because your body will properly adjust by not "eat[ing] something else they normally would have". You may not be impressed, but those nervous about snacking on dried fruit and nuts will be.

Also, keep in mind this is not how it works with meat. You add meat to your diet and you will get fatter.

Source.

And besides inevitable weight gain, adding meat to one's diet causes all kinds of problems:

Source.

Don't need to prove anything, just trying to refute the implied notion that all plant based people are "small and weak". Outliers will suffice.

I had the same experience. After going WFPB for just a few weeks, it's amazing how good an orange or a peach or an apple tastes. All food just seems to taste better. People seem to forget or are not aware that food corporations have basically hijacked our taste buds from birth. A good book on the subject: "Salt Sugar Fat" by Michael Moss.

That said, the coolest thing is you can win your taste buds back in just a few weeks. People drastically underestimate how pliable their palettes are.

I wouldn't say fat is an acceptable source, it's an essential source! The question is what kind of fat? Are we eating healthy fats like avocados, nuts and seeds or are we getting our fat from disease causing sources: meat, dairy, eggs, free oils. Food after all is a packaged deal. You can choose to get your fat in packages that come with health promoting fiber, antioxidants, and other phytonutrients or you can get your fat from packages that give you cancer, heart disease, erectile dysfunction, dementia, shorter life span, etc.

Maybe the problem is their IQs aren't high enough!!

First I want to say congratulations on eating healthier! And I also want to point out what can tend to get lost in this discussion. This is not a black and white/all or nothing situation. Obviously you already know that I think you should ditch the meat, cheese and fish but it is still true that any move in the right direction will be better for your health and longevity. Specifically, the more whole plants you add to your diet the healthier you will be EVEN IF you still eat some meat, cheese, and fish.

For me personally giving up cheese was the hardest. Ditching meat and cow's milk was easy. I haven't read this book yet but you might wanna give it a try:

"The Cheese Trap: How Breaking a Surprising Addiction Will Help You Lose Weight, Gain Energy, and Get Healthy" by Neal Barnard

Ok then use almond milk with your cereal. What you don't wanna do is use cow's milk, rice milk or coconut milk.

Yeah I think that's a myth. Yes soy is loaded with phytoestrogens but that's a good thing not a bad thing:

Source.

Ok but what about men eating soy!:

Another tidbit:

Unfortunately in terms of human health consuming grass fed beef doesn't really change much. All the reasons beef is bad for you still apply. Whether meat is organic or not doesn't really appear to matter either:



Here's the transcript of the above video:

Also, it's not surprising that your doctor(s) keep telling you to eat meat. For one thing they probably eat meat themselves which already clouds matters. Let's not forget that not too long ago in the mid 20th century doctors we're saying cigarette smoking was A-OK, and part of the reason they were saying that is cuz they smoked themselves. But the real problem is just plain ignorance:



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