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ITT we discuss the optimal diet: A Whole Food Plant Based Diet ITT we discuss the optimal diet: A Whole Food Plant Based Diet

10-02-2018 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Rexx14
So they're magical calories?
A good example of what I'm talking about as far as the idea of eating more to weigh less come from the 20th century Okinawans, one of the longest living populations in world history:

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The dietary guidelines recommend that we choose meals or snacks that are high in nutrients but lower in calories to reduce the risk of chronic disease. By this measure, the healthiest foods on the planet—that is, the most nutrient dense—are vegetables, which contain the most nutrient bang for our caloric buck. What would happen if a population centered their entire diet around vegetables, like the Okinawa Japanese? They end up having among the longest lives in the world.

Of course, any time you hear about long-living populations, you have to make sure it’s validated because it may be hard to find birth certificates from the 1890s. But validation studies suggest that, indeed, Okinawans really did live that long.

As I discuss in my video The Okinawa Diet: Living to 100, the traditional diet in Okinawa is based on vegetables, beans, and other plants. There’s a common misconception that their traditional diet included a substantial contribution from fish or other meat, but if you look at their actual dietary intake that doesn’t seem to be the case. The U.S. military ran Okinawa until it was given back to Japan in 1972, so we have actual data on what Okinawans were eating from the U.S. National Archives.

If you look at the traditional diets of more than 2,000 Okinawans, it breaks down as follows: Only 1% of their diet was fish, less than 1% of their diet was other meats, and less than 1% was dairy and eggs, so it was more than 96% plant-based and more than 90% whole food plant-based as they ate few processed foods. And their diet was not just whole food plant-based; most of their diet was made up of vegetables, one vegetable in particular: sweet potatoes. The Okinawan diet was centered on purple and orange sweet potatoes.

Eating a 90+% whole food plant-based diet makes it a highly anti-inflammatory and highly antioxidant diet. If you measure the level of oxidized fat within their systems, there is compelling evidence of less free radical damage. Maybe Okinawans just have genetically better antioxidant enzymes? No, their antioxidant enzyme activity is the same as other populations. What may be making the difference is all the extra antioxidants they were getting from their mostly vegetable diet.

Okinawa has 8 to 12 times fewer heart disease deaths than the United States, 2 to 3 times fewer colon cancer deaths, 7 times fewer prostate cancer deaths, and 5½ times lower risk of dying from breast cancer.

Some of this protection may be because they were only eating about 1,800 calories a day. They were actually eating a greater mass of food, but whole plant foods are calorically dilute. There’s also a cultural norm not to stuff oneself. The plant-based nature of the diet may trump the caloric restriction, though, because the one population that lives even longer than the Okinawa Japanese doesn’t just eat a 98% meat-free diet, they eat 100% meat-free. The Adventist vegetarians in California have perhaps the highest life expectancy of any formally described population. Adventist vegetarian men and women live to be about 83 and 86, respectively, which is comparable to Okinawan women, but better than Okinawan men. The best of the best were Adventist vegetarians who also had healthy lifestyles, such as being exercising nonsmokers. They live to 87 and nearly 90, on average. That’s 10 to 14 years longer than the general population. They have 10 to 14 extra years on this Earth by making simple lifestyle choices.

And this is happening now, in modern times, whereas Okinawan longevity is now a thing of the past. Okinawa now hosts more than a dozen KFC restaurants. Okinawans’ saturated fat levels have tripled. They went from eating essentially no cholesterol to a few Big Macs’ worth. They tripled their sodium and are now as potassium-deficient as Americans, getting less than half of the recommended minimum daily intake of 4,700 mg a day. In just two generations, Okinawans have gone from the leanest Japanese to the fattest. As a consequence, there has been a resurgence of interest from public health professionals in getting Okinawans to eat the Okinawan diet too.
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10-02-2018 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PJo336
Also God damn did not realize dates were so high in cals lol
Although health promoting, dried fruit is generally on the calorically dense side. One may worry about potential weight gain. Perhaps surprisingly, adding 300 calories of dried fruit to your daily diet doesn't result in weight gain:

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Dried fruits are calorically dense. Should we be concerned that eating dried fruit may make us fat? Remember that fig study I covered, that added 14 figs to people’s daily diets? Surprisingly, that did not lead to significant weight gain.

Wait a second. That’s 300 calories of figs a day. Over five weeks, that’s 10,000 calories. Did they disappear into thin air? No. Figs are so packed with fiber, and satiating, that even without trying, people just ended up eating less of other foods throughout the day. I get full just thinking about eating 14 figs a day.

Was this just a fluke, though? Let’s look at those other new studies. What about adding three-quarters of a cup of dried apples to your diet, every day, for a year? 200 extra calories a day—but no significant change in weight. 200 extra calories of prunes a day, for a year? No significant change in weight. And, the same thing with a month of a daily 300-calorie load of dates.

In general, the 5-10% of Americans that average a tablespoon or more of dried fruit a day tend to be less overweight, less obese, have a slimmer waist, and less abdominal obesity. They tended to eat more, but yet weighed less. Similar findings were found for those that eat nuts or nut butters—lower body mass index, and a slimmer waist.


In past videos, I’ve explored the potential mechanisms, right? Nuts are filling, may boost metabolism, and may end up flushing down some of their fat down the toilet.

What if you put them both together? What would be the effect of adding daily fruit and nut bars on top of one’s regular diet, for two months?

Took about a hundred folks who were overweight, randomized into two groups. Half ate their regular diet, and the other half ate their regular diet, plus two fruit and nut bars a day, totaling an extra 340 calories. But these weren’t candy calories; these were largely whole plant food calories—dried fruits and nuts. Two daily fruit and nut bars for two months did not cause weight gain.

And, they had extra sugar in them. Maybe that’s why cholesterol didn’t get better, despite the nuts, which should have helped. “Recipes with…less sugar…might be expected to improve lipid profiles.” So, that’s brands, you know, like this. Or, even cheaper, just eat some trail mix.
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10-02-2018 , 06:25 AM
his study on that: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21883530

he's misreporting again. this wasn't the method:
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and the other half ate their regular diet, plus two fruit and nut bars a day, totaling an extra 340 calories.
or, he's not being exact in his language. He just had two groups, both eating whatever they want for 8 weeks, except 1 group had to eat 340kcal worth of fig & nut bars. This wasn't a calorie controlled study at all. All it means is the group who ate the 340kcal of fig & nuts didn't eat something else they normally would have.

Groundbreaking study.
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10-02-2018 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929
Showing me a crossfitter who's 5'8" and 190lbs is supposed to change my mind? We clearly have different definitions of small and weak, lol.

But, I'm sure there are one or two outliers somewhere. That clearly proves your point.
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10-02-2018 , 07:34 AM
G4S's unique definition of small and weak aside, I can state rather categorically that I'd give up a decent chunk of years off of the end of my life rather than live a decade Greger style, with all that entails physically and psychologically.

I admire those of you that have the energy to argue with this guy.
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10-02-2018 , 08:02 AM
OP, I just want to pop in and say I have been plant based for 1.5 years now and I lost 30lbs w very little to no excersize (1 hockey game per week).

I have been more active as it’s easier now carrying less weight and look forward to becoming even more active.

Oh and food tastes better when you become plant based..

Anyone arguing against plant based who hasn’t tried it for a month has no clue.
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10-02-2018 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Renton555
I kind of wish that vegans would just stick to the sound argument: that eating animal products is unethical. Pretty hard to argue against that, and if you persuade people of that much then the health factor becomes irrelevant.
Fair enough but ive has this debate w many people and a lot of people don’t really care about animals... but they do care about themselves and if they think they could live longer with health benefits of WFPB then more people would do it.. the problem is convincing people what’s healthy and what’s not.. especially when doctors have a conflict of interest (they make Money and receive kickbacks for pushing medication like crestor for heart disease)

I mean look at all these idiots on Atkins and keto depriving their bodies of fuel and bulking up the lining of their hearts.

How about we tell people what to eat to keep their hearts healthy instead of medicating them later???
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10-02-2018 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by nuclear500
One simply has to look at the teeth of an animal to determine what its diet should be mostly.
Yup flat teeth like a vegetarian horse or long digestive tract instead of a short one like the carnivorous lion has or hands instead of claws..

All points to us not eating meat...

Oh and the digestive tract issues and heart problems associated w eating animals.

I’m not going to judge what others eat but I will expose the lies and misinformation that is mainstream science.
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10-02-2018 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by rjr777
the problem is convincing people what’s healthy and what’s not..

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I mean look at all these idiots on Atkins and keto depriving their bodies of fuel and bulking up the lining of their hearts.
People are evidently having trouble convincing you of what's healthy and what isn't. Nothing wrong with high fat diets as long as calories are controlled. Fat is an acceptable source of fuel for the body. I'm not a keto advocate but I'm quite sure that one could live a totally healthy life and keep weight under control with a low-carb diet.

I think the problem is rooted in the word healthy, especially as it is applied to specific foods instead of overall lifestyles.
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10-02-2018 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929
Come on man. Let's not be ridiculous. I am not a creationist. I've read nearly all the Richard Dawkins books and loved them. I understand how evolution works. If you can't follow along then you don't need to participate in the thread.

So for example when I say something like "The fact that bacon causes cancer in humans is strong evidence that humans are not designed to eat it what I'm saying is exactly equivalent to saying, "The fact that bacon causes cancer in humans is strong evidence that humans have not evolved to eat it.

Again I'm using the word design in the darwinian sense. Like it should be obvious we are not designed to eat SAD (standard american diet) given that this diet is making us one of the fattest and sickest countries in world history.

Op I agree w you 100% on WFPB

However I disagree with you on creation vs evolution...

Where are all the transitory fossils that Darwin assured us we would find?

Do you know how many have been found? 0

0 fossils found showing missing links in evolution.. just think about that

Oh dinosaurs are fake and the earth is flat stationary and was created.

If you’re going to drop truth bombs about WFPB might as well drop the truth bomb on this whole thread
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10-02-2018 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Renton555
People are evidently having trouble convincing you of what's healthy and what isn't. Nothing wrong with high fat diets as long as calories are controlled. Fat is an acceptable source of fuel for the body. I'm not a keto advocate but I'm quite sure that one could live a totally healthy life and keep weight under control with a low-carb diet.

I think the problem is rooted in the word healthy, especially as it is applied to specific foods instead of overall lifestyles.
It’s all debatable... everyone takes what dr say as fact until doctors flip and say something else

In my experience 34 years of eating animal products being fat and sluggish ovs 1.5 years of being lean and having energy and just overall feeling better
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10-02-2018 , 08:41 AM
I got some AIDS on my lapel, I'll be back in a minute, I promise.

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10-02-2018 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by rjr777
I’m not going to judge what others eat but I will expose the lies and misinformation that is mainstream science.
I'm looking forward to seeing that!

Also, I had a cheesesteak for dinner and cottage cheese for breakfast. I didn't die. No prostate problems either.
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10-02-2018 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
I'm looking forward to seeing that!

Also, I had a cheesesteak for dinner and cottage cheese for breakfast. I didn't die. No prostate problems either.
Glad you didn’t die..

I figured these smart high iq degens would get it but they don’t and most never will.
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10-02-2018 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Renton555
I got some AIDS on my lapel, I'll be back in a minute, I promise.

You should try putting your ego aside.. it can be our own worst enemies (I’m guilty of this too)
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10-02-2018 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rjr777
In my experience 34 years of eating animal products being fat and sluggish ovs 1.5 years of being lean and having energy and just overall feeling better
There isn't conceivably a correlation besides "eating animals"! Preposterous!
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10-02-2018 , 09:25 AM
Back to original topic..

Reasons to go WFPB include:

Possibly live longer with lower risk of heart disease (not enough data but a ton of anecdotes)
Food tastes better (again not enough data ton of anecdotes)
Animal rights and protection of our eco system
Humans have flat teeth better for grinding WFPB
Long digestive track on humans better for absorbing nutrients slowly from plants
Hands instead of tallons or claws better for picking shrubs and berries worse for killing animals
Animals are “sentient” and feel pain
No other animal drinks milk from another animal


Plz feel free to add to list or tell me I’m bat **** crazy idc truth is truth I’m willing to debate all these truths because truth never fears investigation
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10-02-2018 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by nuclear500
There isn't conceivably a correlation besides "eating animals"! Preposterous!
Is number of days >400 not enough of a sample to prove causation if I felt better in 95% of those days? Hard to say

Ok 1.5 years is a small sample size but it’s my own personal word I’m telling you food tastes better I’m not as fat and I feel better

Not to sound like a total hippie but don’t knock it until you try it

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10-02-2018 , 09:41 AM
Are anecdotal truths like alternative facts?
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10-02-2018 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rjr777

I’m not going to judge what others eat but I will expose the lies and misinformation that is mainstream science.
So science is a conspiracy now?
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10-02-2018 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rjr777
Is number of days >

Ok 1.5 years is a small sample size but it’s my own personal word I’m telling you food tastes better I’m not as fat and I feel better
My experience is similar. I lost a lot of weight and no longer eat crap food, so now fruit tastes so sweet to me. All the food I eat tastes really good and different than before, so much so it's surprising. Yet I do eat meat, cheese and fish.

Like someone said before, the animal cruelty thing is what gets to me. I was reading something and saw cheese described as "congealed animal pain" which does give me the sads.
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10-02-2018 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929
Adorable idea of how calories work.
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10-02-2018 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by rjr777
Is number of days >400 not enough of a sample to prove causation if I felt better in 95% of those days? Hard to say

Ok 1.5 years is a small sample size but it’s my own personal word I’m telling you food tastes better I’m not as fat and I feel better

Not to sound like a total hippie but don’t knock it until you try it
He's referring to the fact you lost 30lbs.
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10-02-2018 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
Are anecdotal truths like alternative facts?
Anecdotes aren’t facts but can be... don’t believe me try for yourself research for yourself. Everyone is so quick to try to win arguments instead of just taking advice. I’m telling you that food tastes better when you’re a vegan.

Does that not intrigue you?

Maybe we’re not meant to eat meat.. maybe we are idk

I’m gonna spare the animals for now the idea of a slaughter house is disturbing
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10-02-2018 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
So science is a conspiracy now?
There’s observable repeatable demonstrable provable science and then there’s a whole belief system of scientism
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