Ummm, yes we were. Humans, have evolved a dependency for B12 just like Vitamin C, etc. B12 is just bacteria that envelops the earth. For most of human existence we probably got all the B12 we needed just drinking out of streams, lakes, or eating dirty plants and insects. Well given that we've poisoned virtually all our freshwater supplies, and um, I don't wanna eat dirty veggies and insects, and the fact that our water supply is sanitized (which is a good thing), it's best to supplement. I suppose you could possibly satisfy your B12 needs drinking well water, but given the horrible memories I have of summer camp, I'm gonna pass on that dubious idea.

He’s being sarcastic. His point was we weren’t “designed” at all. We evolved, DUH

To find the sources of any nutritionfacts.org video, just go to the actual site to watch the video, click on "source" underneath the video and you'll see the studies the author is referencing in the video. I only go through youtube cuz I can embed from there.

ITT I'm using the words "designed" and "evolved" interchangeably.

Are you purposefully misleading, or just don't understand?

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Even better...
"This new study from China, for example"... looooooooooooool. Lol emphasis mine.
http://skepdic.com/chinastudy.html

In before Skepdic is funded by the cheese magnates of wall st. Hope to PLOKJ there is a good nutritionfact youtube about this! Can't wait!

Because you’re dumb? Or are just being intentionally misleading? These words don’t mean the same thing. I don’t see how you can defend this

So that's a no then. Gotcha.

Come on man. Let's not be ridiculous. I am not a creationist. I've read nearly all the Richard Dawkins books and loved them. I understand how evolution works. If you can't follow along then you don't need to participate in the thread.

So for example when I say something like "The fact that bacon causes cancer in humans is strong evidence that humans are not designed to eat it what I'm saying is exactly equivalent to saying, "The fact that bacon causes cancer in humans is strong evidence that humans have not evolved to eat it.

Again I'm using the word design in the darwinian sense. Like it should be obvious we are not designed to eat SAD (standard american diet) given that this diet is making us one of the fattest and sickest countries in world history.

“Bacon causing cancer” isn’t a fact jackass, if you don’t want negative responses perhaps stop talking out of your ass

Furthermore humans didn’t evolve to eat or not eat specific foods. Humans ate specific foods while they were evolving, and continue to do so. Do you understand the difference now? Seems those Dawkins books did you no good at all

I see nothing morally wrong with eating other animals either so I’ll oppose that unstoppable argument too

Seriously? So it's not just cheese, people here are going to bat for bacon now too? Sweet forum you guys have here.

Anyways, more on processed meat for that theoretical one lurker out there that might care:

Source.

Yeah I had definitely heard that bacon was carcinogenic. That was a sad, sad day.

Bro, don't be so pessimistic. There's still a chance the WHO is infiltrated by too many vegan zealots.

We can only hope!

That's the entire purpose of the site nutritionfacts.org, to break down "the latest in nutrition research via bite-sized videos", I.E. to show us peer reviewed studies on food and other health topics in an easy to digest format. So like I said before, if you want to see the peer reviewed studies that are referred to in these videos, just click on "source" underneath the video. If that's too big of a step for you then so be it.

Here's an example. Take this video:



Here's the direct link to that video: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/pla...-for-diabetes/

Click on that, then scroll below the video and click on sources, this is what you'll see in hyperlink:

Just to drive home the "peer reviewed study" part:

I'd be interested in any fairly high protein WFBD recipes you might have.

Curious on your thoughts on something else (Others are free to chime in of course):

Ok, so I think it's safe to say for rational people who care about their health and are privileged enough to do something about it, processed meat is off the menu (sorry Subway). After all, we're not talking about random vegan hippy zealots telling us processed meat is disease causing--who could easily just be trying to trick us into not eating cute fury things. We're talking about the World Health Organization. Now we know the WHO could certainly be wrong about anything, humans gonna human, but we're still talking about one of the most prestigious sources on the planet, and when our health is on the line it certainly doesn't seem wise to keep eating that bacon hoping the WHO missed something in their assessment of hundreds of studies on the subject. I think you already agree with me on this.

But what about red meat, defined by the WHO as "all mammalian muscle meat, including, beef, veal, pork, lamb, mutton, horse, and goat"?

This is what the WHO said about red meat:

Source.

Source.

Now, assuming we apply the precautionary principle on ourselves, given that "scientific investigation has found a plausible risk" with consuming red meat after looking at "more than 700 epidemiological studies....on red meat"(#25), and assuming we care about our health, wouldn't the most rational course of action be to not eat red meat at all, at least until "further scientific findings emerge that provide sound evidence that no harm will result."??

Is it time to say red meat is off the menu along with processed meat? Again, this isn't some sinister vegan doctor secretly working for Big Broccoli trying to brainwash us. This is the World Health Organization we're talking about here.

Curious what you and others think.

I made some non-processed meat tonight for dinner.

https://www.101cookingfortwo.com/eas...hicken-thighs/

Holy ****, was it delicious. Easily the best grilled chicken I've ever had.

And the best part? I didn't die.

First of all, have you ever seen how much protein is in bean or lentil pasta?

Here's the amount of protein in pasta made out of red lentils.: 20 grams of protein per 3oz serving!

There are 22 grams of protein per 3oz serving of pasta made out of black beans!!

So next time you make pasta, try using noodles made out of beans or lentils, then no matter what else you add to the pasta it's already gonna be loaded with protein. Here's a pasta recipe I sent to a friend and my dad who both wanted to go WFPBed, It's verbatim except for the note I made for you.

Link to Oil free tomato sauce (you can find it at Whole Foods):

https://engine2diet.com/blog/food/re...a-pasta-sauce/

To further inspire you:

Source.

Remember animal protein itself causes us inflammation and is strongly linked with increased cancer rates. It is fair to say, the more animal protein you eat the sicker you will become. But if you switch your protein source to plants you flip the script, now instead of getting cancer, and dying younger, you will be fighting cancer with every bite and living longer and healthier!

The main problem for us protein seeking people is everything plant based has half the protein at best as a lean cut of meat :shrug:

Cool story bro, but I think if people like their prostates they are better off staying away from that dinner:

Source.

This still begs the question, why are you you seeking out something (animal protein) that is strongly linked to/causes disease and shortens lifespan to begin with?

I know you guys think I'm a "flat earther" but for the sake of your own health you really shouldn't ignore the I-GF1 story. It's one of the biggest stories in history of nutrition:

Source.

Even Harvard says you should get off the animal protein assuming you wanna live longer:

Source.

Have you posted this one yet?

For me at least, the science on low carb diets is clear and convincing. The typical meat based low carb diet is both dangerous and life shortening:

A good video on the topic:



And A good write-up: How a Low-Carb Diet is Metabolically Like Being Obese

As far as low carb plant based diets? The results are consistent with what you posted. Low carb plant based diets are indeed health promoting:



But what about that last part? What about the "negative long-term association between life expectancy and....high carbohydrate diets when food sources are not taken into account"? Without even reading this study I would bet a lot of money this association is true, because most people on this planet are eating the wrong carbs! There's a big difference between lentils and skittles. There's a big difference between Fruit Loops and Oatmeal, there's a big difference between white bread and black beans, and there's a big difference between Starburst candy and berries, or a Coke/Pepsi and a greens and berry smoothie. Not all carbs are equal. Most people on this planet--especially Americans--are eating too much of the processed junk carbs and this is why this thread really isn't about veganism becuz it's just too easy to be an unhealthy vegan. And maybe an unhealthy vegan is still healthier than your typical SAD person (standard american diet), but so what. Trying to be healthier than someone eating SAD is like trying to be a better person then Ted Bundy. It's an extremely low bar. We can do WAY better.

Processed junk carbs, like meat, eggs and dairy, is gonna cause all kinds of health problems. The path to optimal health is really simple. Avoid foods that cause disease and then center one's diet around real food like, legumes, whole grains, fruits, veggies, nuts, seeds, herbs and spices.

I don't know if this counts as high protein, but it has around 30 grams for the whole bowl and it's what I often eat for breakfast. This is a simple oatmeal dish. I make my oatmeal the lazy way, with the microwave, but it tastes better if you actually do it the traditional way in a pan.

First before I put my oatmeal in the microwave I make up my bowl:

1 chopped banana
2 TBSPs of ground chia seeds
2 TBSPs of ground flax seeds
2 chopped up medjool dates
1 TSP of ceylon cinnamon
1/2 TSP of vanilla bean powder
2 TBSPs of peanut butter (no other ingredients but the nuts!)
Heat up 1 cup of frozen strawberries and 1 cup of blueberries and then dump them in the bowl. I buy mostly frozen berries cuz they're way cheaper.

Ok now our bowl is finished. The next step is to get out another bowl and put 1 cup of old fashioned thick rolled oats in it along with 2 cups of plain unsweetened almond milk or soymilk. Soymilk is healthier but I prefer the taste of almond milk. Then heat that bowl up in the microwave for approx 3 and a half minutes. After that pour the hot bowl into the bowl you've already made. Make sure it's a big bowl! Mix and enjoy!

I appreciate the recipes and I do love oatmeal but after putting those ingredients in my calorie counter it comes out at 1508 calories just for breakfast Rather a lot more than my standard oatmeal breakfast with fruit and chia seeds, although it did have 48g of protein lol. Do you intermittent fast or something?