Hey bud you completely ignored my post!

So I'll quote in part:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Any site with the word "facts" in it should be regarded with a lot of cautious skepticism. I can't blame anyone for that. However, I think you'll find out the site is legit. There is no conspiracy. Big Broccoli isn't secretly funding it.

I was not depressed. Just not feeling that good physically, very lethargic, low energy in general, and struggling in the bedroom, and as you can imagine this was hurting my relationship with my girlfriend big time. Either I couldn't get hard, or if I did I couldn't sustain it. Then after around 1-3 months, (I don't know the exact time frame cuz I was never paying attention to this phenomenon, I switched to WFPB to lose weight and get healthier), things changed dramatically. I was starting to get rock hard erections all the time. My masterbation drive skyrocketed, my sexdrive skyrocketed. Instead of struggling to try to have sex once every 2 weeks or a month, I could do it everyday. And now I never had to concentrate during sex. Everything just happened naturally. Everything stayed hard with zero effort. It wasn't just like I was in my 20s again, my penis is now BETTER than when I was in my 20s. And the connection is very clear to me. The WFPB diet is the only diet that is proven to reverse heart disease. ED is just a manifestation of heart disease. ED happens becuz those tiny arteries to your genital region begin to clog up. ED is often the first sign of heart disease because those are often the first arteries to go bad given their smaller size. So if you stop doing the damage (No one loved cheese and eggs more than me! I ate meat too but not as much as I ate cheese) and go WFPB, you can get yourself out of this mess.

I don't portion control when I eat. I stuff myself at every meal. I am aware that this is not optimal. I've heard of the "eat until your 80% full" rule that is popular in Japanese culture. I strongly suspect that's a better approach but I love to eat and don't yet possess the discipline to employ that. I have no clue if my diet is calorie restricted or not. I just eat until I am full and satisfied. I never count calories or portion control. I just make sure--as much as I can--to only put health promoting food in my mouth. And of course i'm eating WAY more nutrients, that naturally comes with eating a WFPB diet.

The only comment I want to make here is that it's basically impossible to have "lack of protein" issues on any diet outside of extreme hypotheticals where one is eating animal crackers all day or something or extreme starvation type diets. Vegans, vegetarians, meat eaters all eat about the same amount of protein, around 70% more than they need:



Also if you're referring to animal protein when you talk about possibly "upping the protein", that would not be a good idea since animal protein itself is disease causing. I.E. the more animal protein you eat the sicker you will become on average:



Animal protein itself also causes inflammation in your kidneys and worsens kidney function over time:



The checkmate to this possibility though is easy and clear. There has only been one diet on record that can reverse our #1 killer. If that's all you knew, wouldn't that be enough evidence in itself to switch to that diet?

This is true, eating other creatures that can feel pain and suffering, other creatures that have the capacity to love and want to live, is unethical. The argument is so strong tho it's boring. Of course if you have the privilege and ability to not harm other sentient beings you shouldn't. Only a psychopath would argue otherwise. But the thing is that's not what this thread is about. This is the health and fitness forum. We don't need to discuss the cruelty of eating animals, or the fact that an animal based diet is speeding up the our destruction of our planet. We can just stick to what's healthy to consume. Also worthy of note. This thread isn't even about veganism per se. Most vegans aren't all that healthy. Vegans still eat too much free oils, added sugar, added salt, refined grains (white bread/noodles, white rice, white flour) and processed junk in general. If you wanna reach optimal health you have to do way better than your average vegan.

"Proven" seems to be used rather loosely here.

Congrats on solving eating, OP! Great work.

It's basically impossible to argue against that, which sux on an internet forum. Wouldn't it be more fun to make more controversial claims

You're confusing behavior with design. Just because we do eat meat doesn't mean we are designed to eat meat. Diary and free oils is an easy illustrative example. We've only been eating dairy products for the last so many thousands of years (6,000?) and it has only been fairly recently that we've been able to extract oils from plants. Clearly we are not evolutionarily designed to eat dairy and free oils, but we do anyways, and of course our health suffers for that. To me the very fact that eating meat, dairy, free oils, etc makes us overweight and sick, causing us cancer, heart disease, dementia, erectile dysfunction, etc, is prima facie evidence that we are not designed to eat these things.

What I actually meant was, and I'm assuming here because I haven't read all the source material, that a WFPB diet is going to result in megadosing a fair amount of micronutrients (and even macro, mainly fiber). Getting MORE vitamin A, e.g., isn't healthier than getting the right amount.

This is not true. There are plenty of herbivores with large canines, hippos being one example.

If you think humans having canines means they are designed to eat meat, I suggest you put it to the test. Next time you see a fresh animal kill on the side of the road pull over and use your awesome human canines to try to tear through its hide. Spoiler alert, it will not go well for you cuz that's not what you're designed to eat. You aren't a cheetah.

I know your diet was calorie restricted because you lost 30 lbs.

drumroll please...

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So we were designed? We didn't evolve?

Surprise! Hippos DO eat meat.

So do larger Gorilla's and Apes.

Neither eat it as a staple though.

Sweet strawman.

By this logic you must think I think certain birds eat meat because they developed a sharpy pointy beak.....

Also, you misinterpreted what I said. I'll give that it wasn't clear, but I kinda figured that a smart person would realize that since majority of **** sapien sapien teeth are NOT sharp and pointy....that our diet should consist mostly of things that don't need sharpy and pointy teeth to eat.

Someone get bearmarkets back so we can have the nutrition debate to end all debates.

I said Hippos are herbivores, as are Gorillas. The fact that they will occasionally eat meat under certain conditions is not relevant. It does not contradict my claim. They are still herbivores. Like 95+% of their diet is plant-based. That's good enough. The idea that to be an herbivore you have to eat 100% plants is a misconception.

Not a strawman. You claimed that "one simply has to look at the teeth of an animal to determine what its diet should be mostly". This is patently false, which I easily demonstrated. The canine argument is ridiculous on its face.

Hmm, I guess I absolutely misinterpreted what you said.

I'm using design loosely, in the darwinian sense. So designed = evolved here. E.G. it's clear we are not evolved to eat meat, diary, animal products in general, etc since eating those things leads to us being overweight, and causes us heart disease, cancer, dementia, erectile dysfunction, and other diseases, along with a shorter lifespan.

lol come on man.

we are not evolved to eat meat but our ancestors all ate meat. gotcha.

Exactly!!!

I think it is beyond obvious that in feast or famine environments, I.E. the kinda environments humans spent most of their evolutionary existence in, the ability to eat and digest meat conferred an evolutionary advantage. I.E. when food is scarce, humans who had the ability to eat calorically dense stuff like meat were obviously more likely to survive and reproduce than humans who didn't. IOW even if a certain food is toxic for you longterm, the ability to eat it when youre starving is--it goes without saying--extremely valuable. This is also why herbivores like gorillas, hippos, etc have the ability to eat meat.

The problem here is evolution is mainly about survival to reproductive age. There's not that much evolutionary pressure after that critical point. This is why eating meat, and animal products in general, tend to slowly destroy humans after reproductive age. I suspect the same would be true for Gorillas, hippos, and all other great apes if you put them on SAD (standard american diet) of animal products every day. They would develop lots of diseases just like humans.

For more info on what ancient humans mostly ate here are some videos:



Here's more on this idea:

The above is from this video:

really makes you think

Just ate a huge cut of prime rib before reading this thread.

Am I going to die?

Yes. So are vegans though.

I honestly can't believe this thread is even being entertained...

I think it's fine to have a thread like this as more people are turning to this sort of diet. Also it's good for people to have a place to debate the merits or negatives regarding a diet like this. Plus we have threads where people eat mainly takeaway. Each to their own, I'm glad it's working for you OP.