I was on the fence, but now that I see a fat, pear-shaped doc who's appeared in what are essentially abuse of science 'documentaries', I'm swayed.

Weirdo vegan Dr makes a sex analogy, totally not creepy at all. Cool in fact. Real cool. It's cool to be vegan, kids. Check out my hip sex talk, it's k and cool to not eat meat, kids. It's exactly like sex! Check out my logics and what are you doing after the talk. Here's a weird photo of my fat crotch.

Here's a video of Dr. Mills from 2016 where he's probably at his fattest. He's actually made some decent progress since then as far as losing weight. The only part I'm recommending to watch is from the 1:54 mark to 2:50. He talks about how he suffered a really bad motorcycle accident which left him nearly immobile for apparently 12 years. That probably has a lot to do with his appearance, but yeah I agree he's probably not the PR choice to convince people to eat healthy. That said, I enjoy watching a lot of his work along with others on the evidenced based diet/lifestyle crusade so to speak. That said, eating SAD is probably safer than riding motorcycles!



Speaking of "abuse of science", do you also think the International Agency for Research on Cancer--an agency consisting of some of the top scientists on the planet analyzing hundreds, probably thousands of studies to reach any conclusion, the very agency who's literal job is to inform everyone on the planet what causes cancer, like that's why they exist--is abusing science when they say that "all mammalian muscle meat, including, beef, veal, pork, lamb, mutton, horse, and goat" is a group 2A carcinogen and that processed meat is a group 1 carcinogen the same category as tobacco smoking?

Obviously you were being facetious about being "on the fence", but are you still on the fence about eating red meat or processed meat? Is the evidence not compelling enough for you? Are you skeptical of these findings like Renton555 is thus putting yourself in the same rational category of people who are skeptical of the 97/100 scientists that say global climate change is real and influenced by humans, or people who are skeptical of evolution or whether the earth is older than a few thousand years? Just curious.

Also, do you think the National Academy of Science--I.E. the most prestigious scientific organization in the United States--is abusing science when they say we should stop eating all meat and diary products if we are basing our eating decisions on the science?

Yeah when I hear about a vegan not feeling that great my first thought is probably too much processed junk in the diet, I.E. refined fats (oils), refined grains (white flour, white bread, white rice, white pasta, etc), refined sugar (oreos are vegan!). I mean this is America, most of the stuff we eat outside our home is not good for us whether we're vegan or not, and this applies to most of the world now since we've exported our disease causing, life shorting diet across the planet. Take the home of the healthiest, longest living population ever studied, the Seventh Day Adventist vegans out of Loma Linda, California. If you drive through Loma Linda what are you gonna see? Answer: a bunch of fast food restaurants, and other typical restaurants selling you low grade poison food, on every corner. IOW it will be a city just like any other city.

But that said, it's still possible to go WFPB and not feel satisfied. Like let's say you accepted the current evidence that berries and greens are probably the healthiest foods on the planet. Ok, so you're having lots of delicious dark leafy green salads and smoothies every day. What's gonna happen? You're gonna end up feeling hungry and cranky all the time. While very nutrient rich, those foods are not calorically dense enough.

The key to making this diet work, the key to thriving, is making sure you get enough healthy starches in your diet. I.E. foods like corn, potatoes, oatmeal, beans, whole grains in general, legumes in general. Those are the more calorically dense healthy foods. Those are the comfort foods that make you happy and satisfied, and full for hours at a time. Probably 70% of one's WFPB diet should be these foods, and don't forget about other satiating foods like the healthy fats from seeds, nuts, and avocados (I cannot put into words how much I love nut butter especially peanut butter and walnut butter). Berries and greens and other non-starchy fruit and veggies are critically important. They should be eaten every day, ideally at every meal, but healthy starches need to be the star of the show.

So yeah, "the struggle is real" usually comes from people eating too much processed junk or not getting enough starches and thus having a diet that is too calorically dilute and unsatisfying but most likely a combination of both these problems.

Watch this video from the 11:43 mark to 13:18 for another classic Dr. Mills analogy!

Since we've all now been introduced Dr Milton Mills, aka the Ron Jeremy of the plant-based world, let's get this forum acquainted to another heavyweight in the field of evidenced based nutrition, the founding president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, Dr. Neal Barnard. In the below video the following questions which are particularly relevant to this forum were addressed:

"How does a vegan diet known for slimming people own, help a bodybuilder or athlete stay muscular? How do they stay big or bulky if they want to? (8:16 to 10:43)

And "What exactly is whey? Why is it so unhealthy, and what is a good substitute for athletes or bodybuilders? (10:43 to 11:50).

Let's talk about another plant-based doctor, the literal dean of evidenced based nutrition, Dr. Dean Ornish. In 1990 he "published his landmark lifestyle heart trial, which proved for the first time in angiographic evidence that you could reverse heart disease, a number one killer of both men and women"(Greger) just by feeding people a plant-based diet along with other moderate lifestyle changes. This work was published in the Lancet, one of the most prestigious scientific journals on the planet. On a rational planet where human happiness and health were prioritized instead of profits, this would've been viewed as one of the biggest events in human history, on the front page of every major newspaper. Certainly a nobel prize winning accomplishment.

Instead it was thrown down the Orwellian memory hole, one of those "inconvenient or embarrassing documents" that nobody needs to know about since after all there really isn't any profits in healthy humans. It's the sick humans that matter, especially the chronically sick, that's where the billions are at. When it's all said and done, if there's any intelligent lifeform left to chronicle the human species experiment, the term "healthcare" will go down in history as one of the greatest Orwellianisms in human history, right up there with the "US Department of Defense". It's never been about healthcare. It was always sickcare. The very fact that there's a decent chance that nobody in this forum has even heard of Dr. Dean Ornish demonstrates the power of our propaganda system in spades.

Anyways, for those of you who wanna hear Dr. Dean Ornish speak about some of the groundbreaking work he has done, starting with the first study he published in 1977, watch this interview from the 10:56 mark to 17:03:

The quest to become as civilized as Canada just got real:

'Dangerous Dairy Products Should Be Ditched From Nutritional Guidelines' Say Doctors

A couple sweet videos to digest!

I'm with these guys. The only dairy I consume is cheese, ice cream, sour cream, and occasionally milk. It's simply too dangerous to consume more than that.

Meat, cheese, sugar, and processed foods create a safe haven for disease because of their acidity.

Whole Foods do the exact opposite creating an alkaline ph in the body which is disease preventing.

None of these studies mean anything imho... too many agendas being pushed.

Got em

Must be fraud.

Luckily the link doesn't lead anywhere

I liked this post.

Now the post with the link is gone altogether . Was about a tea getting half your weight off. Must have met the spam criteria.

First comes the science, then comes the policy proposals, but real change can only happen from the bottom up. "Power concedes nothing without a demand, it never did and it never will."(Frederick Douglass) It will take immense popular struggle to put the meat and dairy industry in their rightful place. The history of the tobacco industry proves that much. But it must be done not just for human health, but to save the planet.

Treat Meat And Dairy Like Big Tobacco And Scrap Subsidies, Say Scientists

People can take the International Agency for the Research on Cancer, and the National Academy of Sciences seriously. To the extent that they can have an agenda--and they certainly can--on a capitalist planet that agenda will always gravitate towards the influences of big money, not the truth or what's best for the "great beast", Alexander Hamilton's words for the general population. So when these institutions are presenting strong scientific evidence against the consumption of processed meat, red meat, processed junk and animal products in general--the kind of evidence that the super rich would love to obfuscate or suppress---that gives it that much more credence.

Have no clue what you're talking about bro. Get a new computer?

A short video on the benefits of a meat based diet.

you woke AF newDiDz

If it was that easy.

Lol, Nh Didace. Seriously.

I can agree with that...

The reason you shouldn’t eat any animal products is the fact that everyone has to disconnect their brain from the process. Anything with a central nervous system feels pain, so you’re eating sentient beings.

We can debate the health benefits which are just that debateable..

The thing that isn’t debatable is it’s 2019 there are so many delicious alternatives to animal products a truly awakened person would not want to take part in the suffering of any sentient being. Forcefully raping a cow and forcefully extracting its milk is just wrong.

You wouldn’t eat your dog and some dogs are dumber than pigs..

Also you have all this full term abortion stuff in ny conservatives fighting that the baby feels pain... so then why are people fine knowing animals are sentient beings???

I say let the baby live and let the animal lives and go eat whole food plant based and possibly live longer and save your heart and veins from clotting.

Great short read.

From Adequate Nutrition to Optimum Nutrition

Classic quote in the end:

Also, this excerpt is worth quoting: