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I throw heavy stuff around...and I'm still out of shape I throw heavy stuff around...and I'm still out of shape

11-09-2010 , 09:37 AM
ah right gotcha
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11-09-2010 , 09:40 AM
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11-14-2010 , 02:12 AM
G4S-

How far do you think you could throw a 200lb man? Assume you have him positioned in a manner where his bodyweight is centered and fairly evenly placed in your grip, and you can have a running start, like you were running with 200lbs on a barbell trying to throw it as far as you could.

Also, in your sport(s), how much does technique apply to result? i.e., assume a reasonably athletic/coordinated man that was 6'4 275lbs with a powerlifting background like bench700 squat 800 deadlift 800 wandered into your arena, how do you think he would fare? do significantly smaller, not as strong men ever out perform larger, stronger men as a result of excellent technique?
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11-16-2010 , 12:17 PM
Hmmmm... throwing a normal size person, esp a 200lbs one, would be quite difficult. Realistically, 5'-10' probably.

Technique is vital to throw far. This was discussed a little bit earlier in the log:

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Originally Posted by 00Snitch
So given this, would you say that it is more about technique/skill than strength/power?

Do you think (I think you do given your comments so far in this thread) there is a level (or continum) where the strength becomes secondary to the skill? i.e. Usually is a more skillfull dude going to be able to outperform a stronger dude?

Does this change from amature ranks to pros? I assume the rank beginners are going to find stronger == beter, but small increases in skill at the start will be far more benificial than even large increases in strength.



Lies!

Also, great thread. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by milesdyson
OOSnitch,

i will take a stab at this even though gorilla man weighs 45lb more than i do. of course there is a point of diminishing returns, in theory. in practice, pretty much no one gets there and should always try to get stronger. john godina, google him, made this comment when the topic came up in an interview i heard: "there aren't many christian cantwells in the world." cantwell is a huge shot putter who took silver in beijing who apparently has a sick work ethic and insane strength.
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Originally Posted by Gorilla4Sale
+1 to what miles said.

There probably is a point where strength becomes secondary to skill, but I don't think most people ever get there. Everyone still has throws where something just isn't right, be it timing or speed or whatever, and that is the skill essentially breaking down, which can happen for any number of reasons. One way to compensate for that is to have the strength to get yourself out of that mess. I have never done anything athletically related and said, "Damn! If only I wasn't so strong!" I suspect I never will say that, lol. I'm am much more on the strength side in my sport, being that I haven't practiced for the last four years. I look at the skill guys and wish I could do what they do, just like I imagine they wish they had the strength some of us do.

That being said, I and the other HG Pros, and well as all most pro athletes, have put in thousands upon thousands of reps developing the skill part. Studied, talked to other about it, visualized, stood in the kitchen mimicking a throw, etc, etc...

You are correct when you say:


When I practiced and learned the skill portion of HG, my throws went through the roof in less than one season, and I didn't get any/much stronger in that 7 month period.

I hope I answered what you were asking, I feel like I just rambled on a bit, lol.
As for a reasonably athletic 6'4", 275lb man with a decent strength level, he would have a jump on most newbies that come out, that's for sure. But that will only take you so far. Also, with regards to those numbers, I put absolutely no stock whatsoever in someone's geared PL numbers, because they don't mean much. Powerlifting requires a very small degree, if any at all, of athleticism.

And yes, there are instances where smaller guys outperform larger guys as a result of technique, no doubt about it.
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11-16-2010 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorilla4Sale
And yes, there are instances where smaller guys outperform larger guys as a result of technique, no doubt about it.
I keep trying to tell women that, but they're not buying it.
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11-16-2010 , 05:58 PM
I'm telling your wife.
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11-16-2010 , 06:17 PM
Hey G4S, I have a question you would probably be best suited to answer given the social circles you move in.

In your experience, do older men who have done serious powerlifting/weightlifting for a number of years have more or less health issues than the average man as they become older?

Really I guess what I am asking is does the wear and tear of the stress put on the body and the inevitable injuries add up to the point where the quality of life can be low in later years, like you see in other sports such as football and boxing?

Or do you really not see that with weightlifters.
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11-16-2010 , 09:57 PM
I suppose it depends on your definition of "health issues".

But yes, for sure. The wear and tear and injuries do add up and I think a comparison to football players is probably fairly accurate.

I think it also has much more to do with someones training age, as opposed to their actual age.
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11-16-2010 , 09:59 PM
11/16/10

Front Squats - up to a single with 500.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suy2k0wrgH0
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11-16-2010 , 10:38 PM
500 looked easy. Bar speed was very fast. Is 555 your PR?

On a sidenote I love being in the gym alone and whenever I am I turn the radio off. It's great to just be able to focus on lifting and nothing else.
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11-16-2010 , 10:52 PM
Ya, 555 is my PR. I've done a 585, but I wasn't happy enough with the depth so I never posted the video and I don't count it.
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11-16-2010 , 10:54 PM
Oh, and I was ok with no music for a little while, but when the weights got heavier I wanted some. No people around is always a ok with me.
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11-16-2010 , 11:07 PM
nice lift
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11-16-2010 , 11:25 PM
455 x 5 wouldn't have even been difficult imo. i love seeing really strong people do their intermediate warm up sets, where they make weights that would be difficult for decently strong people look like an empty bar
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11-17-2010 , 12:44 AM
Hey I like the 2.5lb plates!
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11-17-2010 , 12:47 AM
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455 x 5 wouldn't have even been difficult imo. i love seeing really strong people do their intermediate warm up sets, where they make weights that would be difficult for decently strong people look like an empty bar
After it happened to me the other day, my new goal is to go around trolling the bros by asking to work in, then warm up with their work sets.

I made myself sad.
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11-17-2010 , 07:11 AM
Thanks guys, pretty happy with where I'm at considering. Back is a little rough today, but I think sticking with primarily singles on heavier stuff for a while is my best plan of action.

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Originally Posted by 00Snitch
After it happened to me the other day, my new goal is to go around trolling the bros by asking to work in, then warm up with their work sets.

I made myself sad.
lol, one of the things I used to do when we worked out at a more mainstream gym was to ask to work in when guys, usually the younger bros, were hitting their quarter squats. Anytime they would get 225-315 on the bar I would ask to work in, and then do push presses.
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11-17-2010 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Gorilla4Sale
lol, one of the things I used to do when we worked out at a more mainstream gym was to ask to work in when guys, usually the younger bros, were hitting their quarter squats. Anytime they would get 225-315 on the bar I would ask to work in, and then do push presses.
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11-17-2010 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Gorilla4Sale
lol, one of the things I used to do when we worked out at a more mainstream gym was to ask to work in when guys, usually the younger bros, were hitting their quarter squats. Anytime they would get 225-315 on the bar I would ask to work in, and then do push presses.
I'm trying to be realistic here.
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11-17-2010 , 05:02 PM
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Anytime they would get 225-315 on the bar I would ask to work in, and then do push presses.
lol
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11-17-2010 , 11:22 PM
finally got my throwing weight shipped. had to pick it up at the post office. lady who helped me had me go into the storage room to get it, and she joked, "are you trying to kill us? what is that?" i then explained it is a throwing weight with removable steel plates that can be adjusted to varying weights and used in scottish highland games throwing events. she was visibly aroused.

the thing is pretty ****ing heavy. not sure where i can go to actually throw it. i have it set up at 42lb right now and will probably dick around with throwing it for height. when i try for distance i'll probably drop it to 28lb so i don't rip my arm off.
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11-17-2010 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by milesdyson
finally got my throwing weight shipped. had to pick it up at the post office. lady who helped me had me go into the storage room to get it, and she joked, "are you trying to kill us? what is that?" i then explained it is a throwing weight with removable steel plates that can be adjusted to varying weights and used in scottish highland games throwing events. she was visibly aroused.
I hope you nailed her in the sorting room.
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11-17-2010 , 11:47 PM
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I hope you nailed her in the sorting room.
LOL. Most of the post offices in Los Angeles are staffed by 200+ lbs middle-aged black women. Who do you think works at post offices, 19 year old models?
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11-17-2010 , 11:55 PM
I'd hit it anyway given the chance just so I could say I nailed a chick in a mail room.

I would obviously claim she was a 19 year old model.
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11-18-2010 , 02:14 AM
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I'd hit it anyway given the chance just so I could say I nailed a chick in a mail room.

I would obviously claim she was a 19 year old model.
i laughed a lot
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