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Old 01-25-2011, 09:04 PM   #101
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Re: *** H&F Form Check Thread ***

Bench form check
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Old 01-25-2011, 09:10 PM   #102
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after you get your arch, try to keep it while moving your feet forward to the point where you can barely shove your heels to the floor. then keep your feet pressed down through the set, and it should eliminate a lot of the body movement you have going.

i'd also like to see a lot more weight to see if that's the actual bar path you always use.
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Old 01-25-2011, 09:33 PM   #103
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So feet farther from the bar? Maybe widen my stance? It's pretty narrow. I'm wanting to make an idiot of myself at a PL comp eventually and want to err towards a PL style bench. I use that bar path because I have left shoulder issues. Instructor at the gym commented on it as well. It's the path I end up with elbows tucked and vertical as possible forearms. I don't think I can bench too much more atm but next week is plus 5kg.
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Old 01-27-2011, 11:47 AM   #104
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Those squats look pretty good, hamster. You let your slide forward on an occasional rep (e.g. 1st rep of 1st set and 4th rep of 2nd set, maybe some other), but they look good for the most part.
Thanks, 00Snitch.


I suspect my bench press is still no good tho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAGZWB-yOcc

Also, tried to make a lighter squat position where my feet position can be seen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qREfIHa4SSQ
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Old 01-27-2011, 01:46 PM   #105
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I do not know if trying to emulate the form of a suited competition bench by an advanced lifter is the best way for a novice to be training the bench press for general strength purposes. Even if you want to eventually be a powerlifter some day, I suspect it is not ideal at this point.
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Old 01-27-2011, 03:46 PM   #106
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Yeah I just tried to do all the stuff Tate says by memory. I'll try to change the bar path a bit next time and put my feet in a Rip position. ty
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Old 01-27-2011, 06:14 PM   #107
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Shrug Tate-style is fine imo. Let's not discuss this a lot in the form thread though.
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Old 01-27-2011, 06:46 PM   #108
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Front Squat

2nd time doing em, looks like my elbows need to be higher.
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:44 PM   #109
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Squat 235 x 3 (second work set)

doing texas method...this is my second set from a 3x3 day...
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Old 01-27-2011, 09:17 PM   #110
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Shrug Tate-style is fine imo. Let's not discuss this a lot in the form thread though.
Did you see his video?

I admit I do not know what "Tate-style" is, but in his video OP has a bar path that looks like he is trying to do a shirted bench press, that seems both very dangerous and inneficient for a novice lifting completely raw.
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Old 01-27-2011, 10:45 PM   #111
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Did you see his video?

I admit I do not know what "Tate-style" is, but in his video OP has a bar path that looks like he is trying to do a shirted bench press, that seems both very dangerous and inneficient for a novice lifting completely raw.
Disagree pretty strongly.
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Old 01-27-2011, 11:36 PM   #112
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Did you see his video?

I admit I do not know what "Tate-style" is, but in his video OP has a bar path that looks like he is trying to do a shirted bench press, that seems both very dangerous and inneficient for a novice lifting completely raw.
How? imo, its definitely easier on the shoulders than doing it how Rip recommends.
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Old 01-27-2011, 11:40 PM   #113
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+1

Bar path is that way because it's the path that allows for the bar to be in line with the wrist/elbow.

Should also add that bar path is that way because elbows are tucked. Tucking your elbows is a lot safer on your shoulders than having them flared out.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:11 AM   #114
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Barge, I apologize. Apparently your form and bar path are correct. I honestly had no idea. Guess you learn something new everyday.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:18 AM   #115
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Bar path is that way because it's the path that allows for the bar to be in line with the wrist/elbow.

Should also add that bar path is that way because elbows are tucked. Tucking your elbows is a lot safer on your shoulders than having them flared out.
these things are very different. the first is just incorrect. many different levels of elbow tuck allow vertical forearms in line with the bar.

i think unless there's some injury to work around that less tuck is in order. it wouldn't surprise me if he used less tuck and was significantly stronger within a month.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:26 AM   #116
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Less tuck probably will be stronger, but will put the shoulders at more risk. For a lot of people, that might not be an issue as long as they dont flare the elbows too far out. For me, I'm pretty sure elbow flare contributed heavily to my shoulder issues a long time ago.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:40 AM   #117
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these things are very different. the first is just incorrect. many different levels of elbow tuck allow vertical forearms in line with the bar.

i think unless there's some injury to work around that less tuck is in order. it wouldn't surprise me if he used less tuck and was significantly stronger within a month.
I should note that I'm not talking about barge's video, as I haven't watched it. I'm only referring to jdock's claims that benching 'tate' style is dangerous for non pl-ers.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:45 AM   #118
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I should note that I'm not talking about barge's video, as I haven't watched it. I'm only referring to jdock's claims that benching 'tate' style is dangerous for non pl-ers.
I already said I do not even know what "Tate style" is (although I assume it is a synonym for powerlifter style, as I know Dave Tate is a powerlifter). My response was directly from watching Barge's video
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:46 AM   #119
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Less tuck probably will be stronger, but will put the shoulders at more risk. For a lot of people, that might not be an issue as long as they dont flare the elbows too far out. For me, I'm pretty sure elbow flare contributed heavily to my shoulder issues a long time ago.
I've had the same experience -- up until a year or so ago i always had shoulder pain when i'd bench, then i realized how flared out my elbows were. I still struggle with that from time to time, but form is a little better now and shoulder pain has basically disappeared.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:51 AM   #120
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Front Squat

2nd time doing em, looks like my elbows need to be higher.
These don't look too good. Stance is too wide, toes point out too much and not deep enough. Your left ankle/knee also rolls inward. And you're right, elbows need to be higher.
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Old 01-28-2011, 12:56 AM   #121
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Form Check:

Power Cleaners: 185x3
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Old 01-28-2011, 01:24 AM   #122
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Re: *** H&F Form Check Thread ***

http://www.youtube.com/user/bustoHAW.../4/0FoJ_58dKMM


comments on my push press (if I'm being aggressive enough.. hopefully getting a decent grade on the DOWNTPWN scale) and 225 attempts?

eta: the third attempt, I looked up from the beginning and it looks like it helped a lot. Def have to do that always from now on.

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Old 01-28-2011, 01:29 AM   #123
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JF- I'd work on getting more hip extension at the top. Very hard to change at least for me. You will get more powers that way. I also think when you rack, get your elbows higher and your lower body should resemble a front squat. Least that's what I try to do
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Old 01-28-2011, 03:07 AM   #124
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I've had the same experience -- up until a year or so ago i always had shoulder pain when i'd bench, then i realized how flared out my elbows were. I still struggle with that from time to time, but form is a little better now and shoulder pain has basically disappeared.
Does "flared out elbows" = "generally more wide grip" and "tucked in elbows" = "generally more narrow grip"? Or does it not depend on the grip width?

As I suspect I might have the "flared out elbows" issue here.
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Old 01-28-2011, 03:16 AM   #125
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I got the following comment in SS forums on this:

it looks like your knees are coming forward at the bottom of the squat. First thing to do is to let the knees come forward earlier in the movement and drive them out. Much further than you are doing now.

I guess I need to film from the side to confirm/reject that this is happening.

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