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it looks like ur hips are rising a little fast but its not awful. main thing i'd say is to keep the bar a lot closer to ur body. it's pretty far away as it passes your kness. it also seems like there's a little bit of back rounding or something as you are coming up. overall tho doesn't look bad imo.

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02-27-2011 , 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shamrock20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvKh9PUnhyI

Clean and Jerk

I have a tough time diving under the bar and I think I pull too high.

Thanks in advance.

looks pretty good. i think ur hips rise just a tad fast which prob hurts ur pull a bit. i have similar issues diving under the bar i think part of it is you have to make it more of an active act and really pull yourself under the bar on 3rd pull rather than finishing your pull and sort of just passively getting under the bar. i don't see why you would think pulling too high would be a problem? or do you mean something else? how much weight was that btw?

thanks for the psoas link, that guy's videos are great.

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02-27-2011 , 04:54 PM

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Kelly Starrett's vids have helped my upper body mobility so much its not even funny.

Is it the first pull where you think my hips rise too fast?

My 2nd pull seems too high just comparing it to olympians. They pull to roughly their diaphragm give or take a few inches and are able to get under. I think lowering the catch point (actual name for this?) will allow me to get into heavier weights.

215lbs in the video

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02-27-2011 , 09:13 PM

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yea on the first pull i think ur hips rise just a little fast and i think it takes away potential power from your 2nd pull.

as far as height. i am far from an expert but its my understanding that they only pull the weight that high bc its so damn heavy and that's the highest pull they can manage. i think if they could clean it to the top they would. i think it just means u have a lot of room to be able to add weight provided you can learn to catch it (i think catch point is fine? some books say receiving of the bar? w/e) progressively lower. i think it's just a function of how heavy the weight is though.

nice lift.

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02-27-2011 , 09:41 PM

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Thanks for the input; I used to have an awful starting position and my ass would fly up.

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02-28-2011 , 06:17 PM

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anyone help me with my squat snatch. i feel like im picking my ass up before the bar is moving. this is 85lb, about 70% of my 1rm. what are thing to focus on? more hip drive? alot of times when i focus on exploding in the middle i end up throwing the bar behind me instead of straight up, which obv makes the catch alot harder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z39dYtZChn4

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02-28-2011 , 09:06 PM

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Hey guys, another batch today. Sorry about the poor camera angles, no cameraman today.

Squat-- not sure if the first four are deep enough, I figure the fifth is? Any other feedback good too.

Press-- it looks like I might be too forward/out and around? Should I be leaning back more/pushing more straight up?

Hangs, and again-- hopefully just an improvement over last time, major issue to fix was not pulling with the arms, any feedback is great.

Thanks!

Last edited by bixby snyder; 02-28-2011 at 09:13 PM.

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02-28-2011 , 10:38 PM

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You're jumping backward on your cleans so the bar ends up too far forward and you have to put your weight on your toes in order to catch it. Jumping and landing in the same spot will fix that and make sure your elbows are high.

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02-28-2011 , 11:16 PM

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looks like you are catching the bar with your hands. shoulders should bear the brunt. this will allow your elbows to get up in the proper position.

http://www.californiastrength.com/olwete.html (go to clean and jerk tab and first video should help a little)

you can practice your racking with just the bar. lift it up as high as you can, will be around chest level, then just rotate your arms quickly to get in the rack position.

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03-01-2011 , 01:28 AM

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don't think about jumping though. just work through your pulls and if your feet happen to come off the floor so be it, but don't focus on that at a detriment to the rest of the exercise. the feet coming off/jumping is the effect of having a good pull, it's not going to cause you to have a better lift in and of itself.

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03-01-2011 , 10:08 AM

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bixby snyder

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Thanks for all the notes on the cleans. I'm definitely off balance, I definitely need to get better with the rack, and as far as thinking about jumping... it's how I've got myself to stop pulling with my arms, but I should get around to fixing that too. Definitely some things to work on, thanks again.

Anything for the other lifts?

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03-01-2011 , 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shamrock20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvKh9PUnhyI

Clean and Jerk

I have a tough time diving under the bar and I think I pull too high.

Thanks in advance.

Looks pretty good. The jerk needs to be more violent.

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03-01-2011 , 02:23 PM

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Private video.

sry. made it public

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03-01-2011 , 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bixby snyder

Hey guys, another batch today. Sorry about the poor camera angles, no cameraman today.

Press-- it looks like I might be too forward/out and around? Should I be leaning back more/pushing more straight up?

Thanks!

try to push your hands straight up so they are in line with your wrists. your knuckles shouldnt be behind your wrists at the top. the weight should be more in your thumbs and not in your palms imo. you do a good job pushing your head through

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03-01-2011 , 07:56 PM

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Volume day bench 4th set

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqIjEvHdZM4

First time recording my bench, maybe my wrists are bent a little too much?

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03-01-2011 , 09:54 PM

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sry. made it public

looks pretty good

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03-02-2011 , 01:32 PM

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Volume day bench 4th set

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqIjEvHdZM4

First time recording my bench, maybe my wrists are bent a little too much?

Looks good to me...

You can tuck your chin to your chest a bit more, can help with arch and loading the weight on your traps.

And make sure you keep the bar vertically positioned over your elbows. Looks like your forearms are angled up towards your head (but not by much.)

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03-02-2011 , 02:51 PM

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Been ill.

Squats 3 sets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDmCetbfKlU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Fs3LV-skM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY8AK3feJ8s

Bench press 3rd set:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xIQpcEJDrA

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03-02-2011 , 02:57 PM

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Is it bad that strength wise I am:

Bench (275x5) > DL (225x5) > Squat (220x5)

I am so backwards

Bench:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5z5le79l1A

DL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVCeNY8PI2g

Thanks for critiques.

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03-02-2011 , 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheProbst

Is it bad that strength wise I am:

DL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVCeNY8PI2g

Thanks for critiques.

looks ok. make sure you take the tension off the bar before you lift/squeeze shoulder blades together. this will also help avoid the bouncing/wind up you do on the 3rd rep. it also looks like youre a little on your toes on some of the reps. not bad overall. take off the straps imo

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03-02-2011 , 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheProbst

It's much better than not having any strength

I assume you've been doing your own thing for a while and have just discovered squats and deadlifts? It's ok your squats and dl's will progress linearly for some time now and your bench/press will stall soon and you'll have to use intermediate programming just for that.

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03-02-2011 , 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OhHaiIAmHamster

squats aren't looking too shabby. Need more classical music.

You're breaking at the knees first. Once you do break your hips you're doing a good job of sitting back. Try to break at the same time. Think hips first if you have to.

Now work on speeding it up and getting a little more explosive out of the hole. Really drive that ass up after the bounce at the bottom.

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03-02-2011 , 11:16 PM

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x-post from my log

TGU, crappy angle
DL -275x2
DL - 315x5

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03-03-2011 , 04:22 AM

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Yeah, you are right. I was actually consciously breaking knees first. That was to avoid the problem I had before - that the knees didn't move forward until the very bottom which is supposed to be bad.

So I go from one extreme to the other