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10-23-2020 , 07:51 AM
Alright, I'm gonna eat my baby food and drink protein shakes the next couple of weeks to make sure my stomach heals properly.
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10-23-2020 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Or, just do what you want to do, but at least have the decency to lie about it like a normal person who won't obtain any long-term benefit from the operation.
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Originally Posted by MeLoveYouLongTime
Alright, I'm gonna eat my baby food and drink protein shakes the next couple of weeks to make sure my stomach heals properly.
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10-23-2020 , 12:23 PM
Two weeks after surgery and you're already trying to eat sushi? Please tell me you've at least quit smoking, smoking will definitely slow the healing process.
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10-23-2020 , 12:47 PM
Her only weakpoints are hungry and sushi.

Last edited by rakemeplz; 10-23-2020 at 12:47 PM. Reason: and also interdimensional beings judging her for eating GSP.
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10-23-2020 , 01:28 PM
This isn't my area of expertise. That being said, raw tuna and salmon may seem soft, but the main point of cooking is to break down proteins for easy digestion. Raw fish + rice is probably not a wise choice two weeks out. And, the avocado looks tasty is is certainly smooth, but I think you're supposed to limit fat intake for now too.

A quick look online shows some doctors okay with sashimi 3-4 weeks, but absolutely no rice. Obviously that's dependent on the type of surgery and the patient. Maybe check with your doctor or at least online?
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10-23-2020 , 03:22 PM
The meal plan just says blended soft fish, yogurt, and protein shakes.

They also want you to limit calories to 400 for the first six weeks, but there are plenty of other doctors that have the limit at 800 which is about where im keeping it.
No ****ing way am I going that low on calories....I wouldn't be able to move and I'm not trying to have saggy skin and my teeth fall out. The weight will come off in time and I will be good at 1200cals in a few weeks.
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10-23-2020 , 03:24 PM
This may startle you, but you can actually go weeks without eating with no negative effects.
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10-23-2020 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MeLoveYouLongTime
The meal plan just says blended soft fish, yogurt, and protein shakes.

They also want you to limit calories to 400 for the first six weeks, but there are plenty of other doctors that have the limit at 800 which is about where im keeping it.
No ****ing way am I going that low on calories....I wouldn't be able to move and I'm not trying to have saggy skin and my teeth fall out. The weight will come off in time and I will be good at 1200cals in a few weeks.
"My doctor instructed me to do this, but I read online that other people were instructed something else, so I'm gonna do that instead."

Is such a bazaar line to take after stomach any surgery.

You said that THIS was the thing that was FINALLY going to get you to stick to a plan-- it was the ONLY thing holding you back!


So, stick to the ****ing plan.
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10-23-2020 , 03:42 PM
I'm reading the John Hopkins plan and other reputable bariatric surgeons guides; I trust these way more than a Tijuana nutritionist.
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10-23-2020 , 03:55 PM
You trust a Tijuana surgeon, but not a nutritionist?
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10-23-2020 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakin
This may startle you, but you can actually go weeks without eating with no negative effects.
Well it definitely startled me. At the very least you're going to feel like ****. That seems kind of negative. Also you will lose a good bit of muscle mass.

Unless you're just talking about no solid food. But if that's the case you can go a lot longer than a few weeks. If all I have to do stick whatever I want to eat in my Vitamix and puree the **** out of it, I could probably do that indefinitely without much in the way of negative effects.
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10-23-2020 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MeLoveYouLongTime
The meal plan just says blended soft fish, yogurt, and protein shakes.

They also want you to limit calories to 400 for the first six weeks, but there are plenty of other doctors that have the limit at 800 which is about where im keeping it.
No ****ing way am I going that low on calories....I wouldn't be able to move and I'm not trying to have saggy skin and my teeth fall out. The weight will come off in time and I will be good at 1200cals in a few weeks.
Good grief. You just know more about everything than everyone, don't you? Hell, you should have just studied up for a couple of weeks and you probably could have just done the surgery yourself.
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10-23-2020 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
Well it definitely startled me. At the very least you're going to feel like ****. That seems kind of negative. Also you will lose a good bit of muscle mass.



Unless you're just talking about no solid food. But if that's the case you can go a lot longer than a few weeks. If all I have to do stick whatever I want to eat in my Vitamix and puree the **** out of it, I could probably do that indefinitely without much in the way of negative effects.
It is negative to feel even the slightest bit peckish. Doesn't seem relevant to the matter at hand.
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10-23-2020 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by whatthejish
You trust a Tijuana surgeon, but not a nutritionist?
Trusting the surgeon was a huge lack in judgement. Everything about the entire ordeal felt scammy. I found a surgeon in Las Vegas that would have done the surgery for $1k more than I paid, I should have researched American surgeons more.


The Tijuana group also has a plastic surgeon to do the skin removals so it's in their best interest to have people way below the standard or necessary calories to have the patients go back for a second surgery just a few months later. I'm not trusting much of what they say.
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10-23-2020 , 08:38 PM
I think a tijuana doctor knows far, far more than you and your internet research.
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10-23-2020 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MeLoveYouLongTime
Trusting the surgeon was a huge lack in judgement.
Pretty sure not following post surgery instructions is an even more huge lack of judgement.
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10-23-2020 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
Well it definitely startled me. At the very least you're going to feel like ****. That seems kind of negative. Also you will lose a good bit of muscle mass.



Unless you're just talking about no solid food. But if that's the case you can go a lot longer than a few weeks. If all I have to do stick whatever I want to eat in my Vitamix and puree the **** out of it, I could probably do that indefinitely without much in the way of negative effects.
The instructions are to limit calories to 400/day, not just puree whatever the hell you want.


It will be all fluids and muscle mass the first few months with major hair loss.
I lost a lot of hair when I was around 1200-1400 cals with my initial 100lbs weight loss.
Don't remember if it was posted here but I had a video changing the shocks on my car and you could see the thinning and bald spots on the top of my head.

400 cals+vitamin supplements aren't going to get me the protein and nutrients I need to have hair and not lose excessive amounts of muscle.
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10-23-2020 , 08:51 PM
Jesus ****ing christ, stop. I want off the ride.
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10-23-2020 , 09:06 PM
the magic is strong with this one some Mexican surgery has no shot of changing a goddamned thing
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10-23-2020 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
It is negative to feel even the slightest bit peckish. Doesn't seem relevant to the matter at hand.
I wasn't talking about the matter at hand. Sorry for the confusion. Carry on.
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10-23-2020 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MeLoveYouLongTime
The instructions are to limit calories to 400/day, not just puree whatever the hell you want.
Yeah, I know. My statement had nothing to do with the instructions you are ignoring, but shouldn't be.
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10-23-2020 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakin
I think a tijuana doctor knows far, far more than you and your internet research.
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It's literally just comparing meal plans from very reputable hospitals and surgeons to the Tijuana one, not me thinking I know more from googling. They are all different other than liquids for the first two weeks and lots of protein so it's not an exact science.
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10-23-2020 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MeLoveYouLongTime
J,
It's literally just comparing meal plans from very reputable hospitals and surgeons to the Tijuana one, not me thinking I know more from googling. They are all different other than liquids for the first two weeks and lots of protein so it's not an exact science.
Out of curiosity, can you link to the meal plans from the "very reputable hospitals".

If you've got a link to the TJ surgeon's advice that would be great too.


By the way, what does your mob surgeon friend think of the whole experience. After all, she thought it would be safe. Has her opinion changed?
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10-23-2020 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MeLoveYouLongTime
J,
It's literally just comparing meal plans from very reputable hospitals and surgeons to the Tijuana one, not me thinking I know more from googling.
Unless you met with those doctors, had an exam, and got a plan from them, these are things you think you know from Googling. Those articles all say to consult with your doctor.

If you designed something for a client with no engineering background, would you think they could successfully modify it by reading articles by other mechanical engineers online (and cherry-picking the parts they found appealing)?

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Originally Posted by Mayo Clinic
Your doctor or a registered dietitian will talk with you about the diet you'll need to follow after surgery, explaining what types of food and how much you can eat at each meal. Closely following your gastric bypass diet can help you lose weight safely.
Sounds like good advice to me.

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They are all different other than liquids for the first two weeks and lots of protein so it's not an exact science.
That's why you ought to ask your doctor.

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400 cals+vitamin supplements aren't going to get me the protein and nutrients I need to have hair and not lose excessive amounts of muscle.
You have a limited time frame for the most weight loss. If you plan to jump to 1200 calories, why'd you have the surgery? You could have done that on your own.

Yes, you may have saggy skin and temporary hair loss. That's inherent in what you signed up for. Trying to reduce your weight loss on your own is a setup for failure. If you don't think you have proper advice, please talk to another doctor, in person.
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10-23-2020 , 11:48 PM
Is (additional) saggy skin from losing weight "too quickly" a thing?



MLY,

I went from 170 to 123 in like 16 months of dieting, still had loads of skin. Just saying, you need to manage your expectations where that's concerned, and think about getting plastic surgery when the inevitable occurs.
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