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Old 07-26-2020, 12:25 AM   #51
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I prefer weighing in more often because there's variance and you're going to catch it on some high/low days once a week. ie you might weigh 305.2 tomorrow.
OP's averaging 1600~ over three weeks. Keep this up and no need to scale at all, wake up one day happy and rework what needs to be done.

Once a week is fine for a history lesson, if more numbers are needed maybe weekly calories, total/average whatever.
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Old 07-26-2020, 07:02 PM   #52
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I mean you're down 15lbs in 20 days?!

What do you estimate your maintenance to be? -2.7 would suggest 1350cal daily deficit. Which would be around 3k maint. 29, 5'9, light exercise 1-3x a week yields 3200 or so.

I prefer weighing in more often because there's variance and you're going to catch it on some high/low days once a week. ie you might weigh 305.2 tomorrow.
Yeah after looking at the numbers they are pretty accurate. I guess I was just remembering the last time I was this weight pulling out 4-6lbs each week. In retrospect I was eating quite a bit less and probably moving a bit more.



Didnt actually have Dominos. Blowing a treat day on shitty Dominos would be ****ing blasphemy. Had 4 slices from a local store. Hopefully 5 slices of Dominos comes close to a similar calorie count.
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Old 07-26-2020, 07:35 PM   #53
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Did you eat those slices as one meal?
If so, really well done budgeting for them with the rest of the day. Very few ppl can do this--fasting or close to it for the rest of the day in order to eat 1 big ass meal.
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Old 07-27-2020, 03:03 PM   #54
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Did you eat those slices as one meal?
If so, really well done budgeting for them with the rest of the day. Very few ppl can do this--fasting or close to it for the rest of the day in order to eat 1 big ass meal.
Yeah one meal. I've been doing IF this whole time anyway so it was fine.



Yesterday was a struggle. First day I've really just wanted to eat and eat and eat. Disappointed I let myself eat as much as I did but could've been worse. I've always wondered if regular people have food constantly on their minds but are continually able to limit themselves over a lifetime. Bless if so.
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Old 07-29-2020, 06:11 PM   #55
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Been a lazy piece of ****.

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Old 07-29-2020, 08:47 PM   #56
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Teeth,
My bf eats once a day and never thinks about food, cept fried chicken on occasion.
It's weird as ****. He does not get that food is always on my mind or I'm really craving something or how I can eat past "not being hungry".
He says he eats until he doesn't feel hungry anymore, not until he is full. I don't think normal people have any more self control than we do, they just have different brains that work differently in regards to food where they don't need self control.
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Old 07-30-2020, 08:36 AM   #57
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A prolonged period of good habits regarding food...
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Old 07-31-2020, 03:15 AM   #58
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Appreciate it guys

Yeah I totally agree. I've read SS cover to cover (albeit like 8 years ago) and while no doubt informative, it was dry af so I probably wont reread it. The issue with doing any sort of routine is where I live gyms are shut down due to covid. I've looked into just buying a bench, squat rack and a barbell but they're either sold out or prohibitively expensive.
Are you in the US? I forget. If so, I'd expect gyms to be closed for a fairly long stretch, depending on the state you live in.

In either case, kettlebell programs is a way cheaper option than going the full barbell gym at home route (which I wouldn't recommend unless you were already a dedicated lifter). Check out the last page of my log if interested.
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Old 07-31-2020, 03:26 AM   #59
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I've always wondered if regular people have food constantly on their minds but are continually able to limit themselves over a lifetime. Bless if so.
Most regs here prob fall within the "regular people" group, and I bet most would say no, food is not constantly on our minds. imo building sustainable habits is the most essential part of not regaining a ton of weight. A part of that is avoiding emptying your willpower reservoir. If you constantly feel like you have to fight to avoid temptations, you'll probably give in sooner or later. If there are few, if any, temptations throughout your day, you avoid the fight entirely.

Examples might be not keeping any candy, ice cream etc in your house ever (and if you do want a piece of e.g. chocolate on a Saturday, buy exactly as much as you plan to eat, despite it being a bit more expensive), avoiding going past the McD every day, don't go to lunch with co-workers who eat unhealthy food you're craving etc etc.

For most morbidly obese people I think IF with one meal a day isn't very sustainable, nor being on an excessively large calorie deficit over time. Both will tend to lead to constantly emptying out your willpower reservoir by thinking about food ALL DAY LONG. IF-ing allows you to keep eating BIG meals, which I also think is a bad idea for the long-term. I say this as someone who prefers to IF myself (though not one meal).

I like droopy's idea as well. If you do go down that route, be careful about picking the nutritionist though - I'd go with someone pretty mainstream/non-extremist.
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Old 07-31-2020, 03:27 AM   #60
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Teeth,
My bf eats once a day and never thinks about food, cept fried chicken on occasion.
It's weird as ****. He does not get that food is always on my mind or I'm really craving something or how I can eat past "not being hungry".
He says he eats until he doesn't feel hungry anymore, not until he is full. I don't think normal people have any more self control than we do, they just have different brains that work differently in regards to food where they don't need self control.
code3 is definitely not a normal person when it comes to food, given his absurdly baby-like preferences.
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Old 07-31-2020, 07:22 AM   #61
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Are you in the US? I forget. If so, I'd expect gyms to be closed for a fairly long stretch, depending on the state you live in.

In either case, kettlebell programs is a way cheaper option than going the full barbell gym at home route (which I wouldn't recommend unless you were already a dedicated lifter). Check out the last page of my log if interested.
Im in Australia. They likely wont be open for a long time here either so finding an alternative is definitely the play. Ill check out your log.

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Examples might be not keeping any candy, ice cream etc in your house ever (and if you do want a piece of e.g. chocolate on a Saturday, buy exactly as much as you plan to eat, despite it being a bit more expensive), avoiding going past the McD every day, don't go to lunch with co-workers who eat unhealthy food you're craving etc etc.

For most morbidly obese people I think IF with one meal a day isn't very sustainable, nor being on an excessively large calorie deficit over time. Both will tend to lead to constantly emptying out your willpower reservoir by thinking about food ALL DAY LONG. IF-ing allows you to keep eating BIG meals, which I also think is a bad idea for the long-term. I say this as someone who prefers to IF myself (though not one meal).

I like droopy's idea as well. If you do go down that route, be careful about picking the nutritionist though - I'd go with someone pretty mainstream/non-extremist.
Yeah, 100%. If theres anything in the house it gets devoured. I've been shopping every couple days and buying only what I need for proper meals. There isn't any junk in the house and my workplace is closed down for the time being so driving past fast food places generally isn't an issue. In saying that I left home the other day specifically for McD's which was a huge disaster even though I kept the cals reasonable.

I do agree with the IF thing too. One huge portion probably isn't sustainable however I just find myself obsessed with being satiated. For some reason I can go long periods without eating but once I do eat I wanna feel FULL. The first time I lost weight several small meals throughout the day is what worked though so I dunno. I'm sure its just a mindset thing.

I actually contacted my doctor for a referral to a dietitian however as its not considered an essential service they aren't taking appointments right now.

Regardless, I have total faith in 6-12 months i'll have lost a significant amount. Theres lots of real life reasons this has to happen now and it will. The question is whether I'll have kept it off in five years. Unless bariatric surgery happens I highly highly doubt ill maintain a normal weight over a long period of time.



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Old 07-31-2020, 08:02 AM   #62
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Unless bariatric surgery happens I highly highly doubt ill maintain a normal weight over a long period of time.
Why do you think this is the case?
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Old 08-01-2020, 07:07 AM   #63
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Why do you think this is the case?
I just know myself.

I'll get to where I want to be and after that, slowly get complacent. Maybe I'm just being a debbie downer but I just don't see anything different happening in reality. The end game here is, unfortunately, surgery. I've already started the ball rolling on it. The only thing I can maybe see happening is a total mindset change due to my partner and I wanting to start trying for a family within the next few years. I'd never forgive myself being a fat Dad so that might spur something on.

The stats on morbidly obese fatties keeping weight off over a lifetime are pretty dire as well.

Having read that back I'm thinking seeing another psychologist wouldn't be the worst idea.

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Old 08-01-2020, 01:49 PM   #64
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I just know myself.

I'll get to where I want to be and after that, slowly get complacent. Maybe I'm just being a debbie downer but I just don't see anything different happening in reality. The end game here is, unfortunately, surgery. I've already started the ball rolling on it. The only thing I can maybe see happening is a total mindset change due to my partner and I wanting to start trying for a family within the next few years. I'd never forgive myself being a fat Dad so that might spur something on.

The stats on morbidly obese fatties keeping weight off over a lifetime are pretty dire as well.

Having read that back I'm thinking seeing another psychologist wouldn't be the worst idea.

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Regardless, I have total faith in 6-12 months i'll have lost a significant amount. Theres lots of real life reasons this has to happen now and it will. The question is whether I'll have kept it off in five years. Unless bariatric surgery happens I highly highly doubt ill maintain a normal weight over a long period of time.




I mean this reply in an encouraging way so please take it that way.

This is bullshit and a defeatist attitude.

I've watched a lot of my 600lb life (I know you're nowhere near that obv) and the underlying theme is therapy to work through issues wrt food. It's a mandatory requisite for the doc on there to approve surgery.
I would suggest finding a therapist that specifically deals with those types of issues. Surely they're doing remote/video sessions atm?

So don't get complacent after you get to your goal? You've demonstrated a lot of the necessary self control and habits needed to be a normal weight in your first month back logging again. I see a huge difference in your log vs other WL logs here, you crushed it.

I appreciate it's harder for some folks than others to eat maintenance calories, but it doesn't take that much effort to actually track cals reasonably close everyday. I do it every day and spend a few mins of mental energy tallying up my cals. So every day I know whether I gained fat or not due to my eating. And I'll do this for the rest of my life, and you should to. Not a big deal. The logic being imo, it's a lot harder to ignore the fact that one is getting fatter everyday when they tally up 3500 cals and they know maint. is 3000.

There's a lot of food paths that work. IF, smaller/more freq meals, higher volume/more satiating foods (feeling full), higher protein, keto/carnivore/vegan. Figure out what works best for you. It really doesn't matter at all which option as long as cals are under control. Leads to sustainability.

Build some muscle. It's a lot easier to not get fat when you have a bigger budget to work with. I've probably increased my maintenance by close to 1000cals by 1.)being more active 2.)adding 25lbs of muscle.

On this note, find some exercise you really like. Doesn't matter much as long as you like it, and this is crucial because if you don't it's probably unsustainable. If you don't like doing cables and dumbells, try powerlifting, or try Olympic lifting. If you hate lifting, try mtn biking, swimming, hiking, rock climbing, etc.

Staying busy helps. When you're bored all day it's easy to let your mind think about food and eventually rationalize eating for no real reason.

Not trying to dissuade you from discussing surgery with your doc, but I doubt it's truly necessary. It's also not without risk nor bulletproof. Some of the folks on that show managed to gain weight post surgery.
Anyways, I know I don't know you, but you can do it imo man.

Btw, I've been fat/overweight for more of my life than not. Never again though.
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I've watched a lot of my 600lb life (I know you're nowhere near that obv) and the underlying theme is therapy to work through issues wrt food. It's a mandatory requisite for the doc on there to approve surgery.
I would suggest finding a therapist that specifically deals with those types of issues. Surely they're doing remote/video sessions atm?
Great show, particularly while smashing a pizza.

I haven't looked into seeing a psych yet but I've been thinking about it a lot today. I'm just not entirely sure what one would do. Most of the people on 600lb life have some extreme physical/sexual abuse in their past which is the catalyst to their outrageous eating. I just got fat because I'm impulsive and have a hard time saying no to myself unless I'm focused on legit dieting.

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So don't get complacent after you get to your goal? You've demonstrated a lot of the necessary self control and habits needed to be a normal weight in your first month back logging again. I see a huge difference in your log vs other WL logs here, you crushed it.
Losing weight is so ****ing easy though and it happens quick enough for the scale to be the necessary positive reinforcement to motivate keeping on going. Once you hit your goal or feel better about yourself or whatever and try to eat at maintenance there isnt that weekly reward of the number going down. I just found that infinitely harder. Presumably thats not unique to me since loads of people lose **** loads of weight just to put it back on. Most of the other fats on here have significant other issues which **** them up. I can do this without ****ing around because my life is super chill and I'm fully aware losing weight is just math. Admittedly keeping it off is too but its different.

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There's a lot of food paths that work. IF, smaller/more freq meals, higher volume/more satiating foods (feeling full), higher protein, keto/carnivore/vegan. Figure out what works best for you. It really doesn't matter at all which option as long as cals are under control. Leads to sustainability.

On this note, find some exercise you really like. Doesn't matter much as long as you like it, and this is crucial because if you don't it's probably unsustainable. If you don't like doing cables and dumbells, try powerlifting, or try Olympic lifting. If you hate lifting, try mtn biking, swimming, hiking, rock climbing, etc.
I agree. CICO is all it takes. I'm still in the working out how exactly I wanna go about it phase but we'll get there. I used to be in the gym 7 days a week and loved it. Well, I loved that I got to spend time with mates I wouldnt otherwise see as often. Doing that again isnt an issue, I'm literally just waiting for the world to be normal again.

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Btw, I've been fat/overweight for more of my life than not. Never again though.
I dunno your story but I said exactly that when I lost it all the first time and here we are. Hope you're one of the few that pulls it off though my man.

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Old 08-02-2020, 08:01 AM   #66
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Weigh in:

06/07/20 - 321.8
12/07/20 - 313.2
19/07/20 - 309.5
26/07/20 - 306.8

02/08/20 - 302.1 (-4.7)
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I haven't looked into seeing a psych yet but I've been thinking about it a lot today. I'm just not entirely sure what one would do.
Learning some coping skills might do you some good. Also maybe some skills in redirecting your thoughts and on not getting down on yourself.

Your comment a while back about being a lazy piece of **** fits pretty well into the unhelpful category of thoughts. In particular that it apparently didn't immediately occur to you that being in a pretty big calorie deficit causes lack of energy and motivation. Instead of recognizing this as normal and 100% inevitable for any person, you thought it had something to do with you. It would probably be helpful if you learned to be able to see something so obvious.
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I just know myself.

I'll get to where I want to be and after that, slowly get complacent. Maybe I'm just being a debbie downer but I just don't see anything different happening in reality. The end game here is, unfortunately, surgery.
I'm not opposed to surgery per se. I'm not familiar enough with all the variations of surgery to know this, but isn't it possible to regain weight even after surgery?

I just don't see a life of maintaining a healthy weight without good habits. So it needs to be in place regardless of surgery or not.

I disagree that there's no motivation for keeping the weight off btw. It feels great and I remember how it feels to not be fit/slim. Clothes fit you without even trying. You can move around way better and you don't hurt everywhere. Energy levels are higher. It's all around great to be at a healthy weight!
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