Thremp,

If you post in here, please do me a favor and use the /s tag or something at the end of your post if you are not being serious. I find it difficult to tell with your posts.

In the LC thread or elsewhere, I am fine if we misunderstand each other, particularly if it's on my end. We can all laugh at me missing that you were obviously being sarcastic/absurd/hilarious.

Syn,

I am not swayed by any assertion that suicide is selfish. I have thought a lot about my stance on the right to die.

As to your other question, I believe that true acceptance, like many things, is possible only in the pursuit of the principle. You will always be able to find something that you can examine and better understand and more deeply accept. You and I may differ a bit in our position on this sort of thing, as I get the impression from our other conversations that you are at least somewhat guru oriented.

But, if one can still "better understand and more deeply accept" anything, then one has actually not yet accepted at all. Right?

I don't know why you went with "guru oriented", but spirituality oriented, may be.

Yes, but you will never be able to truly accept everything. It is something that might be worthwhile to pursue in principle, even though it will never be fully accomplished. There is even the somewhat paradoxical point on the journey of acceptance that to be closer to accepting everything, you must accept that you will never be able to accept everything.

I don't understand the distinction you make between guru oriented and spiritually oriented.

I understand your point of view and I actually tend to agree, at least on the level of the egoic mind.

No worries. With "guru" you made it sound (to me) as if I worship some sort of nutcase or belief system. Whereas spirituality is a much more fundamental experience.

Well, all gurus are not created equally. See the documentaries Kumare vs Tony Robbins: I am Not Your Guru. I'd criticize both types for different reasons, though Kumare less so, which you'll understand only if you've seen his documentary.

Will do!

No problem. I was actually being serious. I think antinatalism is a worldview that you may understand and relate with. While I don't totally buy into it, it raises some excellent questions about why people have children.

NB: This isn't really a topic I'd troll about. I mean... If I had some deep hatred toward you, sure.

Lets note that engaging in risk taking behavior and killing yourself in a fake accident isn't that hard. Power down a liter of vodka and drop some cash on a new sportscar to take through some mountain roads. Or just plow into a tree at 85mph off the interstate in a fake "I was asleep". I would be totally on board with this sort of behavior. (Preferably after a thoughtful deliberation of life insurance and who would benefit the most from your passing.) The problem is that many people choose to take their lives in dumb, dramatic, and ultimately textbook examples of suicide that leave everyone around them with lingering guilt. (Depending on attachments you may value their suffering more or less, or may not care.)

While you certainly have the right to die (everyone should), doing so in a manner that doesn't harm other people is rarely considered and even less frequently carried out. If you do decide to go about this plan, I'd suggest a deliberate and methodical plan carried out to help benefit everyone else rather than just calling it a day with little notice. (Get that organ donor card to make sure they DNR you.)

k, last line was a joke.

Okay thanks. I rejected numerous methods of self disposal because I worried about the trauma it would inflict on others and what has the highest chances of success. Some methods would unfortunately involve other people, even if just discovery of the body, in a manner I consider unacceptable. I considered minimizing harm rather than maximizing a benefit. I am reading the book Final Exit for a better understanding of how one would proceed.

I don't agree with antinatalism so far.

I am an organ donor.

Thanks for the thoughts and the joke.

Well he already ruined it for you. If I hear that you flew off mount Charleston in a Porsche, I am going to be devastated and wonder if I could have said or done something.

I can't relate at all. None of it makes sense, i love life and I love people. And while there is suffering and horrible people out there, there are also wonderful people out there. The little I know of you, I would put you in that latter category.

Seems like you've thought this out significantly more than I expected. All the best tho. Hope you don't ragequit life, we will all be worse for shirtless elf squat photos.

I think you should go hang out with the Montecore for a day. Hang out with the minis. Hit the gym with monte.

Thought we were generally trying to not have him kill himself?

Seconded!

Dat ChefMonteFood tho *drool*.

Struck me as legit good advice.

Struck me as legit hilarious.

I am left feeling torn between those two comments+reactions.

Hope things improve Busto. Based on my casual reading throughout these forums you seem like a kind, thoughtful, selfless and generally awesome person who makes the world a better place. +1 to rooting for you.

Final exit is the last thing you should be reading imo. And I guess that ties into what I was saying...without getting too deep into this...in general I believe that you can train your brain. This can be negative or positive. For example, anger can be self promoting in the brain. I believe that depression can be as well.

I do understand that you're feeling the way you feel because you are...it's not just "in your head" but in addition to what you are doing with therapy and medication, I think you can physically train your brain away from the negative and dark thoughts to the positive by consciously doing so...but it takes a bit of work.

If you want to get a break from your situation you can come stay with me at casa de chaos...We have a big old house with a guest room, four kids, five acres and a dog...

Hope you feel better soon, man.

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Strength and chaos camp with BPA sounds elite

I would watch a webseries of fakeb going to various H&Fer's houses and staying with them for a few days and living the various lives we live. Good mix of locations and life phases, and staying with someone like AIOTT could probably show him that his life actually isn't that bad in comparison.

Agreed. As long as fakeb doesn't dox me or do something v creepy (like not have sex with some 20y old who wants the pipe), I'd sign up for this.

I'm in. FauxB: You are definitely welcome to come up here and train with me. I live not too far from a great mountain hiking area (about 10 minutes or so), plenty of fishing (river and lake) nearby, glacier not too far (about an hour), Denali is a couple hours away, and ocean fishing a few hours away. You can also shoot bows with me and the girls at the house (we have a smaller kids size one that might fit an elf better). Can't help with hot chicks though as most of them are already taken in my experience.

and he'll be able to see Russia too, from what I hear

Thanks for invites.

Not sure. Got some pretty bad news. I think I'm going to lose one of the things that matters most to me IDK. Life is hard. So I feel hopeless and now devastated and overall afraid that it's all falling apart regardless of what I do

Is it a pet?