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10-28-2012 , 06:35 PM
YES! i finally graduated to overweight at 5' 9" 171
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10-28-2012 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by starrazz
At least be accurate as you make excuses to stop short of the proper goals. 170 is considered overweight for a person 5-9--not normal.
Your posts are laughable. 120? You are ridiculous. So in your warped little mind its normal to bone skinny. To be able to see all the skin contract around the rib cage with every breath. Because that's what you get with 5'9" 120.

Honestly you should just leave this thread and let OP do his thing. You are offering nothing productive and spreading nonsense.
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10-28-2012 , 06:43 PM
I think its worth being a little careful with sarcasm on this sort of topic. It might seem obvious to most that its not serious, but somebody can think it is and do something really unhealthy.

As far as OP is concerned, we are some way from having to worry about goal weights. As a forum its a shame we can't form a consensus about what a good target weight is, as this seems fundamental and something that ought to be quite straightforward. Perhaps it says something about the state of the literature on health as a whole (ie billions spent on the industry but a lack of consensus/good advice).

OP - congratulations on the start that you have made, and the commitment you have shown. As somebody said, its really important to not throw in the towel if you have a bad patch. Its not going to go without a hitch.

Obviously you are a very big guy indeed. I'm in favor of taking things steady and not looking for a large calorie deficit. Having said that, the men on The Biggest Loser (yes I know, not a perfect show) are on 1500 calories a day and work out four times a day, so its not impossible to cut it right down. Good luck anyway.
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10-28-2012 , 06:49 PM
Hi OP,
I think if you watch the documentary, Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead, it could change your life. It is free on Hulu or youtube. Peace
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10-28-2012 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Country Roads
b+ troll, had me going until you said 120 lbs 5'9 is a normal weight, well maybe in ethiopia it is, but not here. pack up your gov't statistics and run along now.
To be fair, even by the BMI index 120 pounds is considered underweight at 5'9. Its a BMI of 17.7, and even the government will agree that is too low.

Looking at BMI alone, and not accounting for lean muscle etc, the top of the healthy range would be about 168.5 pounds.
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10-28-2012 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by starrazz
125 is a normal weight for a 5-9 guy according to federal government guidelines. 125 is toward the low end, not 140.

Much of this unsourced pushback against sourced guidelines is just internal resistance to how overweight some of these folks who are pushing back are. I wouldn't be surprised if every one of these folks pushing back against the guidelines I'm quoting are over 200# or more and don't want to face their own reality that their goal weight is even lower than they would like it to be. So it's better to deny than to feel even more discouraged. But if you just face facts, you can deal in reality and in facts and adjust your goals accordingly. Deal with life on life's terms; don't deny guidelines composed by dietary and medical experts.
Okay, I'm 5'9" and about 189 raw (naked). Yes, I have a little pudge, but I can still see my mid-upper abs, and nobody thinks I'm overweight.

The amount of LBM one carries makes a HUGE difference. If I had no muscle, then my weight could only be what it is with more fat, so, yeah, I'd be a fat POS.


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Originally Posted by starrazz
At least be accurate as you make excuses to stop short of the proper goals. 170 is considered overweight for a person 5-9--not normal.
I am going to lose ten pounds and be around 180. This is only because I want to see my abs more. I want to be ript, brah. I think 170 would be the absolute minimum I would get down to because I still want to get stronger and add more muscle when I do a slow bulk after cutting.

The point is, if I got to 170, there is zero chance I would be "overweight" to anyone with half a brain. I would be shredded and ****. I'd definitely have a bf% below 10.

If you're not a troll, then I think you really need to think about what LBM does to a person's body.
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10-28-2012 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Country Roads
b+ troll, had me going until you said 120 lbs 5'9 is a normal weight, well maybe in ethiopia it is, but not here. pack up your gov't statistics and run along now.
Yet another inaccurate excuse-making troll chimes in. At least quote me accurately as you make excuses and assert greater knowledge than health experts in the federal government. 5-9 125 is a normal weight. The BMI is a guideline, not a replacement for a conversation with your doctor that accounts for your individual characteristics, including but not limited to what level of muscle mass you may have.
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10-28-2012 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RedHot
To be fair, even by the BMI index 120 pounds is considered underweight at 5'9. Its a BMI of 17.7, and even the government will agree that is too low.

Looking at BMI alone, and not accounting for lean muscle etc, the top of the healthy range would be about 168.5 pounds.
The troll you are quoting misquoted my post. Scroll up for confirmation.
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10-28-2012 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MrM27
Your posts are laughable. 120? You are ridiculous. So in your warped little mind its normal to bone skinny. To be able to see all the skin contract around the rib cage with every breath. Because that's what you get with 5'9" 120.

Honestly you should just leave this thread and let OP do his thing. You are offering nothing productive and spreading nonsense.
Yet another poster quoting a poster who misquoted me. I never said 120 is normal for a person of the OP's height. Check the transcript.
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10-28-2012 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by starrazz
Yet another inaccurate excuse-making troll chimes in. At least quote me accurately as you make excuses and assert greater knowledge than health experts in the federal government. 5-9 125 is a normal weight. The BMI is a guideline, not a replacement for a conversation with your doctor that accounts for your individual characteristics, including but not limited to what level of muscle mass you may have.
It sounds like we are all agreed. BMI is a guideline only. Take for example four time gold medalist Sir Matthew Pinsent. His statistics for his fourth Olympic Gold (rowing) are given on his wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Pinsent

Height 6 5 (1.96 m)
Weight 17 stone (110 kg)
By my reckoning this would give a BMI of 28.7

I think everyone is agreed and we can go back to helping OP with his very important ************ journey. If he wants to use BMI, OP could initially aim for a BMI under 30 (-> overweight rather than obese). There is no need to worry about a final goal as yet. The main thing is to get the weight coming off. De-rail over I hope.
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10-28-2012 , 08:03 PM
What's up with the quote tags earlier ITT?

If anyone in this thread is citing the CDC, just want to let people know that they think a male at 6'4" and 150ish pounds is at a normal weight.

This is from the the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

"Height: 6 feet, 4 inches
Weight: 215 pounds

Your BMI is 26.2, indicating your weight is in the Overweight category for adults of your height.

For your height, a normal weight range would be from 152 to 205 pounds."

http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/ass...alculator.html
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10-28-2012 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by starrazz
Yet another inaccurate excuse-making troll chimes in. At least quote me accurately as you make excuses and assert greater knowledge than health experts in the federal government. 5-9 125 is a normal weight. The BMI is a guideline, not a replacement for a conversation with your doctor that accounts for your individual characteristics, including but not limited to what level of muscle mass you may have.
No 5'9" 125 is not normal. No matter what website told you that. A person like that is a skinny weak ****.

But you saw it on the internets so it must be true!!! From your tag I see its annoyingly analytical. Your objective appears to stir up arguments for arguments sake, stop calling people trolls when obviously your goal is basically to troll around. Your posts have no benefit to the OP, stop wasting everyones time.
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10-28-2012 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MrM27
No 5'9" 125 is not normal. No matter what website told you that. A person like that is a skinny weak ****.

But you saw it on the internets so it must be true!!! From your tag I see its annoyingly analytical. Your objective appears to stir up arguments for arguments sake, stop calling people trolls when obviously your goal is basically to troll around. Your posts have no benefit to the OP, stop wasting everyones time.
Your post is ironic DUCY
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10-28-2012 , 11:54 PM
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I would set the date now. You set the bar and you jump over it. If you set it at 2 weeks from now and the book has not arrived in a week you need to go out to a store and buy it or buy a digital copy to reach the goal on time. I have to audio book. This seems silly but it is learning how to set a goal and reach it. If that book arrives the day before you goal date you stay up all night and read it.

In all goals we set there are parts we can't control. If the book gets lost in shipping or something you need to be aware something beyond your control is hindering your goal and change your plan to reach your goal on or before the deadline. Goal setting is about learning how to plan and setting the goal normally takes care of all the other steps, you will just do it once you set the goal. If it is a goal you truly want to achieve that is, me forcing you to read a book is not the greatest example.

Now social anxiety is tricky and I an as far from an expert on it as you can get. Is it caused by you being overweight or are you overweight due to social anxiety? Several people have poked at the idea of finding out how you got fat and what has triggered this current change in eating habits. Do you even know? Questions like this are also going to seem silly but if you discover the true source of the problem it will become much more likely you can overcome it.

I would like to see the mfp days of how you ate before the diet. Is it possible you ate even more before you tracked those days? I would say yes. What made you eat so much at that time. Tracking food is great because people never track really bad amounts or types of food. Once they decide to track they just don't eat those amounts or types of food. Similar to social anxiety the cause and effect is a chicken and egg type of thing and very hard to figure out.

So I said a lot and it is getting unclear so let focus on the most important stuff.

What do you think are the reasons you overate in the past? Need a detailed answer to this. Are there types of foods that trigger you to binge? I am assuming you are a binge eater. True? Did you use food to alter your mood? What are the situations you eat the most in? Do you overeat in public or is it always in private? How bad is the social anxiety and is it causing you to overeat or is it a result of overeating? There are an unlimited number of questions I could ask so it is impossible. You need to think honestly about it and try to give the true answer to this one and it will be hard to figure out but try your best.
Okay, but,
Spoiler:
excuses incoming;
given I'm right in the middle of exams ill give myself longer to read it than I would otherwise; three weeks from today so need to have read it cover to cover by 19/11.

As for the rest of your post I'd like to have a think about it before answering and I might do so in a PM. Unless thats a total copout in which case ill grow a pair and post it here.

Edit: Just realised I kind of answered some of your questions below, after thinking more Ill go into more detail though.

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So much bad advice and trolling going on.

Teeth, you need to eat more. 1400 calories is not healthy for a man your size. No matter what anyone tells you.
Why?

People keep suggesting eating more without providing any reasons behind it. From the reading I've done losing weight fast is discouraged for 3 reasons; loose skin, unsustainability and gallstones.

I think loose skin is an inevitability regardless given where I started so that isn't weighing on my decisions too much and gallstones ill risk.

Drastic diet changes being unsustainable is an interesting one though. I know I'm still in the honeymoon phase of this 'journey' but I honestly don't believe (perhaps delusion, perhaps naivety) I'm a normal 'recovering' fat person. Firstly because I'm never hungry which from what I gather is an enormous issue for most people losing weight. I don't have to fight urges to eat copious amounts of anything unhealthy because they simply arent there. Given how easy its been for me to cut out bad foods, I also don't think I have an emotional or psychological attachment to them.

I also enjoy exercise, admittedly not so much cardio but sport and lifting I'm loving. I played team sports pretty much my whole life up until I was 17 and being capable of getting back to that is a huge priority.

I truly believe I got fat because food which is high in fat and sugar tastes good and I was lazy/lacking any reason to change. Simple as that. No metabolism bull**** or genetics or psychological issues or any other excuse people like to delude themselves with, I was 100% to blame for making bad choices.

Anyway, bit of a tangent to a common comment but whatever.

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Hi OP,
I think if you watch the documentary, Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead, it could change your life. It is free on Hulu or youtube. Peace
I'm in Australia and Hulu hates us here. Ill look for it elsewhere, thanks.
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10-29-2012 , 12:16 AM
So, Monday mornings are when I usually when I do a weekly weigh in (actually tbh, I weigh myself A LOT - love that pain and variance). I've recorded my weight losses since starting as well as some measurement changes. Pretty stoked with this weeks result, not just with the loss but moreso because I lost a ton of inches off the measurements I take which is really ****ing exciting. Fitting into normal people clothes will be amazing.

Anyway, the list of weights so far:

27/8 - 352
3/9 - 347
10/9 - 340.6
17/9 - 330.6
24/9 - 326.1
1/10 - 321.2
8/10 - 317.5
15/10 - 312.6
22/10 - 309.7

And today: 305.1

Really close to having lost 50 lbs which sounds and feels like a ****ton. Pumped.

Just on the goal weight/BMI debate; this may be a little defeatist but I think the realistic chances of me getting to 145 (which is right in the middle of 'healthy' according to the calc I used) is almost zero. But I dont want to get that light given I plan to start SS asap and would like to retain/build on the LBM I already have. I'm also anti the idea of setting weight loss targets/a goal weight - at this stage anyway. I dont know my body well enough to know what its capable of and I could see being very discouraged if I dont hit specific targets I set. Having thought about it since making this thread, I'm more into setting 'it happens when it happens' kind of goals (such as being able to fit into a size down or whatever) rather than must achieve X by X date or else I suck kindve goals.

Just something interesting; http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/diet.html tells me I'm currently carrying 193.6 lbs of LBM. Assuming I could magically go to 0% BF right now and retain that LBM I'd still be considered overweight. Obviously losing some of it is inevitable as I lose fat but I'll be working my arse off to keep as much as I can.

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10-29-2012 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by teethwash
Okay, but,
Spoiler:
excuses incoming;
given I'm right in the middle of exams ill give myself longer to read it than I would otherwise; three weeks from today so need to have read it cover to cover by 19/11.

As for the rest of your post I'd like to have a think about it before answering and I might do so in a PM. Unless thats a total copout in which case ill grow a pair and post it here.

Edit: Just realised I kind of answered some of your questions below, after thinking more Ill go into more detail though.
That is a great date you picked. You can answer the questions via pm but understand I might not give you correct advice. By answering my questions here others will tell you if I am wrong in any judgement I make based on your answers. I hope they will anyways.

I like books if that is your thing also I would urge you to read "The End of Overeating". Then stuff won't get lost in the translation as it has all the ideas I believe.

But denial is what I am really after. If you are in denial about the real reasons you eat or the size of your problem you will fail at some point. And denial is beat easily if you just tell some people the truth and think through some stuff. No crying or meditation and goofy stuff. Just honest answers to basic questions and learning a few facts about the foods you love and how they can start to control you if you don't realize the power they can have.

You are doing great so far so just know this is a tool you can use when and if you start to struggle. Good luck with exams!
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10-29-2012 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ReStueyed
That is a great date you picked. You can answer the questions via pm but understand I might not give you correct advice. By answering my questions here others will tell you if I am wrong in any judgement I make based on your answers. I hope they will anyways.

I like books if that is your thing also I would urge you to read "The End of Overeating". Then stuff won't get lost in the translation as it has all the ideas I believe.

But denial is what I am really after. If you are in denial about the real reasons you eat or the size of your problem you will fail at some point. And denial is beat easily if you just tell some people the truth and think through some stuff. No crying or meditation and goofy stuff. Just honest answers to basic questions and learning a few facts about the foods you love and how they can start to control you if you don't realize the power they can have.

You are doing great so far so just know this is a tool you can use when and if you start to struggle. Good luck with exams!
I was absolutely in denial 11 weeks ago. I'm pretty sure I had body dismorphia except I saw myself as thinner rather than fatter. Obviously I was aware I was big but didn't believe I was ENORMOUS until I stepped on a scale for the first time in 7 or 8 years.

I also blamed other people for it a lot of the time; like thinking it was my Mums fault and not realising I'm an adult, I'm responsible for what goes on in my life. Actually, hows this for ****ed up logic - I partly blamed my high school and the other kids there for being so big because I was never bullied. Which in my mind may have sparked a change in lifestyle sooner.

However I now realise its purely my fault and my issue. I wrote a little about why I now think im fat in my last post and just adding to that post - some things did happen which sparked the change. It didnt just happen out of the blue, a bunch of things occurred (some good, some bad) which was the catalyst.
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10-29-2012 , 02:19 AM
Congrats on the huge weight loss so far - you seem determined. Keep at it.

Just going to say though that there is no way you have 196lbs lbm. That's like competitive bodybuilding territory and while your bodyfat % is obviously much higher than a competitive bodybuilder and carrying higher bodyfat can help you carry more muscle, there is no way you have that much muscle being a beginner.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...potential.html
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10-29-2012 , 02:49 AM
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I was absolutely in denial 11 weeks ago. I'm pretty sure I had body dismorphia except I saw myself as thinner rather than fatter. Obviously I was aware I was big but didn't believe I was ENORMOUS until I stepped on a scale for the first time in 7 or 8 years.

See simple cure nothing fancy. You must always remember to weigh yourself and to track what you eat. After you lose all the weight you want you might be able to stop tracking food in such detail but you must always weigh imo. This kills denial in it's tracks and look at how well it is working for you. Just don't forget this trick so simple but it is also easy to revert to old habits.

I also blamed other people for it a lot of the time; like thinking it was my Mums fault and not realising I'm an adult, I'm responsible for what goes on in my life. Actually, hows this for ****ed up logic - I partly blamed my high school and the other kids there for being so big because I was never bullied. Which in my mind may have sparked a change in lifestyle sooner.

You probably think thoughts like this are rare because people don't tell themselves the truth never mind saying it out loud to other people. Truth is we all got wacky reasons for doing addictive behaviors. Saying it out loud or telling people about it forces you to see it for what it is. You know it was holding you back as soon as you hear yourself say it. Keep it in the dark and it just grows or gets weirder. We don't need to analysis the reason you thought this. It is as simple as your mind chasing its tail just slap it and tell it to stop. Just get it out laugh at it and stop using it to allow you to abuse yourself.

However I now realise its purely my fault and my issue. I wrote a little about why I now think im fat in my last post and just adding to that post - some things did happen which sparked the change. It didnt just happen out of the blue, a bunch of things occurred (some good, some bad) which was the catalyst. Seems like you have made a ton of changes so far, must have been big sparks! Great post thanks for being honest.
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10-29-2012 , 03:38 AM
Congrats - looks like you've got the right attitude to go far.

I think arguing about what goal weight you should have at this point is like planning your HU strategy the first hand of a big field tourney. Get to that point, and then it will be more clear and your body type more defined.

It was a boring conversation anyway.
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10-29-2012 , 05:17 AM
OP - You're doing great, impressive results so far.

Some logs in this forum, usually weightloss ones for some reason, seem to attract a disproportionate number of random posters who all want to chime in with their advice. The problem is that a large number of them have no idea what they're talking about. Try to work out who the decent posters are, stick with their advice and ignore the static all around them. If you have any specific questions it's probably a better idea to post in the beginners questions thread (stickied in the forum) as lurkers tend to stay out of there and you generally get solid answers.
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10-29-2012 , 07:19 AM
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Congrats on the huge weight loss so far - you seem determined. Keep at it.

Just going to say though that there is no way you have 196lbs lbm. That's like competitive bodybuilding territory and while your bodyfat % is obviously much higher than a competitive bodybuilder and carrying higher bodyfat can help you carry more muscle, there is no way you have that much muscle being a beginner.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...potential.html
Thanks a lot.

Yeah, it sounded like a lot and pretty unrealistic. Must just be a dodgy calculator.

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Congrats - looks like you've got the right attitude to go far.

I think arguing about what goal weight you should have at this point is like planning your HU strategy the first hand of a big field tourney. Get to that point, and then it will be more clear and your body type more defined.

It was a boring conversation anyway.
Cheers bud.

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OP - You're doing great, impressive results so far.

Some logs in this forum, usually weightloss ones for some reason, seem to attract a disproportionate number of random posters who all want to chime in with their advice. The problem is that a large number of them have no idea what they're talking about. Try to work out who the decent posters are, stick with their advice and ignore the static all around them. If you have any specific questions it's probably a better idea to post in the beginners questions thread (stickied in the forum) as lurkers tend to stay out of there and you generally get solid answers.
Appreciate it.

I've read YTFs thread twice over so I think ive got a reasonable idea of who to listen to.


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Tried pushups again, this time before cardio because yesterday I thought I mightve been fatigued attempting them afterwards. Managed 6ish, probably 4 good ones. Being able to do 50 without pause by the end of the year seems doable.

Also did the standard 45 minutes on elliptical. http://www.healthstatus.com/calculate/cbc says that would burn 1180 cals at my weight, seems way exorbitant. Is there a better calc around?

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10-29-2012 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by riptidebsi
Hi OP,
I think if you watch the documentary, Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead, it could change your life. It is free on Hulu or youtube. Peace
WOAT documentary
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10-29-2012 , 08:49 AM
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WOAT documentary
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10-29-2012 , 12:28 PM
I think you said money is no object, in which case investing in an activity monitor is probably a more accurate (by no means perfect) alternative to plugging your activities into an online calculator.

Looks like you're often getting 150g of protein, but I would make that a target, not just a fortunate happenstance.

That lunch looks awesome. I had a chix breast + sweet potato a couple days ago, great combo.

breakfasts look a little carb heavy, so maybe if they start to make you hungry afterwards you can add protein. If you're full, it's copacetic.
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