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05-29-2020 , 09:50 AM
Kelhus,

Thoughts on this study which suggests men need passion to succeed in life? https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...32118X1930234X

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Finally. $12/kg which is lmao but this is my comfort food which is conveniently also a great dieting food+tart tooth satisfier.
YOUR MOM is a great tart tooth satisfier.
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05-29-2020 , 10:08 AM
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Kelhus,


Thoughts on this study which suggests men need passion to succeed in life? https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...32118X1930234X

Sounds like the BETA MALE PROVIDER scientists need to do some research into AMS.
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05-29-2020 , 11:03 AM
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Keep in mind most of our evolution was probably adaptive. So the reason we evolved to perceive males as relatively worth less, because they were relatively worth less.

Perhaps the greatest achievement of the "Patriarchy" post agricultural revolution was that low status males for perhaps the first time had some intrinsic worth to society (as very necessary low skill manual labor and soldiers mainly), so they were given some privilege in return.

But now society is changing so that low status males don't have this intrinsic worth per se. There is a lot less use for farmers and brick builders and soldiers. However (at least in the western world) they do have the ability to make themselves into something with worth (through education and innovation mainly), which isn't the case in a lot of places, and may not always be the case. So for most males what we have is still probably a lot better than reverting back to a more "natural" state, and this is something to keep in mind.

As long as humans are sexually reproducing species, and procreate the natural way, women are always going to have more intrinsic value the second they pop out of the womb. This is basic "natural economics." It isn't personal or vindictive. It just is.
Listen, I'm not trying to minimize the fact that patriarchy was a brief window which endowed everyday males with intrinsic value because their physical labor could measurably improve the well-being of women, but that just doesn't make me feel any better about the lack of outrage over women committing infanticide at such high rates and getting a pass for it (on a societal level, I'm sure there are highly publicized cases where people do get on their ass). Or perhaps, the disproportionately little amount of outrage over female child abuse/killing/child abuse in general while we create this completely false narrative that women in American universities face more danger, in a probabilistic sense, of violent rape than women in war-torn Congo. And it's obviously working if our resident baby elephant thinks anyone is going to assault her while she's on the way to circle K for more chips and soda.

I guess I should also clarify: Yeah the video is about the comparative intrinsic value of humans based on gender, but the parts that gut me so hard were the parts about reproductively fertile women having higher value than even innocent children and getting a pass to actively and sometimes violently violate their humanity.

Obligatory 'facts don't care about your feelings', which is rather paradoxical in this context...
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05-29-2020 , 11:24 AM
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Also, we shouldn't conflate being worth more to having an easier go of things. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I dont know. The grass always seems greener on the other side of the street, but is it really?

As I said before, having more value has risks involved. And this was less of an issue when life was short, but in our current long lived state female's intrinsic worth starts nosediving in their 30s, but most of them are going to live an additional 30-40 years in a low status state. That can't be pscyhologically easy having to navigate a world where you spend the first half of your life at the top of the mountain and the second half of your life at the bottom.

And this is something Adam Carola talks about a lot, (I am paraphrasing here) but probably the main reason (on aggregate) men "achieve" more is because they have to. They are conditioned by nature and society at a very young age that they have to build their worth. Most probably won't, but for those minority that do, if you do accomplish such a feat at least you know you will probably spend the rest of your life in this relatively high worth state.

Contrast that with the female "worth life cycle". It is actually psychologically much harder for them to be "hungry" for capitalistic achievement because there is no pressure for them to do so (and actually real pressure in the other direction to domesticate and start reproducing) because they have so much intrinsic worth de novo, and then about halfway through the game of life it all gets cruelly taken away through no fault of their own.
This is definitely 100% true though. Going from the bottom and rising up over the years is probably psychologically much easier to handle than the reverse. My life trajectory definitely allowed me to experience what it's like at both the very bottom and somewhere near the top (obv to be in the tip top you still need to be ethnically chinese). I imagine you or anyone with a PhD in a real subject has a similar dynamic.
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05-29-2020 , 12:55 PM
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Listen, I'm not trying to minimize the fact that patriarchy was a brief window which endowed everyday males with intrinsic value because their physical labor could measurably improve the well-being of women, but that just doesn't make me feel any better about the lack of outrage over women committing infanticide at such high rates and getting a pass for it (on a societal level, I'm sure there are highly publicized cases where people do get on their ass). Or perhaps, the disproportionately little amount of outrage over female child abuse/killing/child abuse in general while we create this completely false narrative that women in American universities face more danger, in a probabilistic sense, of violent rape than women in war-torn Congo. And it's obviously working if our resident baby elephant thinks anyone is going to assault her while she's on the way to circle K for more chips and soda.

I guess I should also clarify: Yeah the video is about the comparative intrinsic value of humans based on gender, but the parts that gut me so hard were the parts about reproductively fertile women having higher value than even innocent children and getting a pass to actively and sometimes violently violate their humanity.

Obligatory 'facts don't care about your feelings', which is rather paradoxical in this context...
You apparently have a different notion of "humanity" than I do.

I suggest you go watch some videos of chimpanzees in the wild, realize that is essentially the hardware we are working with, and the software can only do so much, even given the remarkable (compared to other animals) plasticity of human behavior. If anything, it is a testament to the power of culture that the software can do as much as it can. But there is still going to be limits.
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05-30-2020 , 06:22 AM
Legs

HBBS: 95kgx10x3
rfess: 14kg dbsx10x3 each side
hamstring curls: 65lbsx10x3
hyperextensions: bwx10x3

Brought my belt today. Back felt much better. Staying patient with these squats... still feels like I can just slap on 20kg+ and be just fine. But ideally I should be staying in that zone until I'm absolutely sure my knees are alright with this amount of training+loading. Perhaps I should even schedule a deload the week after next.

I got brainwashed by watching the most recent Justin Hariss interview I posted in LC thread, but I had a larger high carb day than I otherwise would have.

Meal 1
McDonalds breakfast sandwich
2 hasbrowns
1 peach pie
coffee

Train

Meal 2
2 scoops whey and 6oz skim

Meal 3
Crappy low quality sushi but decent amount of salmon+avocado in there

Meal 4
4oz beef, mixed vegetables, potato
a bunch of soft serve icecream

Meal 5 will be a 500g sirloin and home fried potatoes.

Tomorrow will be chicken+rice but I'll do another 500g sirloin and potato meal. No crazy sugars/junk foods though like today. Then monday-Friday chicken, rice, avocado, protein shakes, and beef noodles. I'll try to keep carbs lower on non training days henceforth.

My "new" daily nutrition template is as follows

630 am wake

645
50g whey+6oz skim

11:15
250g chicken breast
0-1.5 cup rice
1 whole avocado

4:00
Repeat 11:15 meal

5:15
50g whey+6oz skim

5:45-6 :15 start training, minimum 20 min cardio post training, 35 minutes if I didn't manage to get some done during the workday.

7:45-8
beef+noodles+fermented vegetables but I'm gonna have to find a substitute for this because it's giving me digestive issues. Might just be another chicken+rice+avocado meal, a steak if I have energy/time to cook, or find another restaurant I can order delivery from and can add more meat. I'll get something consistent going eventually, might be some trial and error for now but we definitely want 200g+ of a fatty protein source and vegetables in here.
frozen berries or green apple

9:30-10:30 bed


Saturday basically just shoot for a surplus with at least 500g carbs on that day.
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05-30-2020 , 12:39 PM
How hard is it to get avocados in China? I'd imagine it's not something that there is a huge demand for, but maybe I'm way off on that.
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05-30-2020 , 07:51 PM
We have different ones grown in SEA with less dietary fat and a slightly sweet taste. I actually prefer the Asian ones. Not as good for guac, but better solo. They have a less creamy texture. Imported are expensive and inaccessible. I have a supermarket that will deliver 4 ripe ones for 30rmb which is under 5usd.

Sirloin was incredible and about 9usd per lb. Might have to do that daily.for my fatty protein meal. Prob 300g steak, vegetables, fruit, and skip rice and potato that meal unless its a training day.
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05-31-2020 , 02:13 AM
AM 22 min bike cardio

Afternoon arms
hammer curls: 18kgx17,9,7+2
dual rope pushdowns: 14kgx20, 18kgx20, 23kgx20, 18kgx23
Cable curls: 30kgx32, 15
Dual rope pushdowns: 18kgx20, 15, 12
minibar curls: 25kgx13, 15kgx12
Cross body single arm tricep extensions: 14kgx10x3 each side

ran through quarter turns+mandatories twice. It was exhausting lol. Need to do a lot more posing.

I'm changing shows from Oct 10 to Sept 26-27. I'll have to go all the way to Beijing, but the oct 10 show is immediately after a holiday and it will likely be our first opportunity to leave the country and actually get back in, so obviously I plan on going to vietnam and stuffing my face that week. Bad idea to try to compete after that. there's also about 6 shows that are still date TBD on the docket. And there's one August 9th right next to where Syndr0m lives that i could *probably* be ready for in time, but I'd rather take it slow.

Really excited about this whole thing. I'm enjoying the process and this is some of the most productive training I've gotten in years. That said, I'll probably do delt isolation only+cardio on the next scheduled chest day.

Got some pics of posing today but lighting/angles/camera were all different making comparison impossible. I need to carve out a consistent time and location for posing to give myself feedback and see how I'm progressing.
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05-31-2020 , 09:31 AM
30 more minutes of cardio on bike

dropped tren. Saving it for 10 week out.
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06-01-2020 , 09:53 AM
Am cardio 16 minutes bike

5pm 35 minutes cardio bike

two ten minute walks after meals at 6 and 930

the latest more plates more dates video where he goes over some of his dieting hacks was an inspiration today. Making some adjustments:
1. Only 1 liquid meal per day. They just aren't great for satiation/micronutrients. This will probably be my morning meal for the sake of convenience, but if I have time to eat solid food in the morning, no liquid meals is optimal.
2. 10 minute walks after at least 3 of the 4 solid meals each day. Yeah, this doesn't necessarily burn a ton of cals, but it's digestive benefits and blood sugar regulation make it worthwhile and it's much easier to consistently adhere to than dreading sitting on the bike for 30-40 minutes straight looking for something to distract me from the boredom on my phone.
3. Don't order the post workout meal from a restaurant. Just do another chicken+rice meal and 3 days a week take the damn time to make a 300g (measured raw) sirloin. If I can't handle this for whatever reason, I can make some brisket in the pressure cooker and keep them in the fridge for quick access.
4. If I start going crazy from repetitive meals, I can switch to brisket/salmon and take out the carbs. Or switch to white fish.

I went through that horrid 2 week quarantine where I couldn't get enough to eat and felt miserable with wild blood sugar variation and confinement+vpn not working well. By comparison, 16 weeks of 1-1.5 cups rice +250g chicken 3x/day with a shake, ulimited veggies, and low sugar fruits (mixed berries+green apples) in "reasonable amounts" is a ****ing cakewalk by comparison. Steak 3-4x/wk and a high carb day once a week, EZ. The fact that I get to watch myself change in the mirror is icing on the absent cake.

The other thing I need to remember to stay motivated is that the harder I cut in these next 17 weeks, the stronger my rebound will be and the more muscle I will be able to build after this is over. Cutting for this show does directly influence the probability of me winning "when it counts" (when I do a competition outside of this country, where even if I were good enough to win, I could not win)

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06-01-2020 , 12:57 PM
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where even if I were good enough to win, I could not win
What does this mean?
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06-01-2020 , 06:57 PM
They dont allow foreigners to win even in what are clear cut cases. National and racial pride. Not something I need to be worried about just yet though.
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06-01-2020 , 09:43 PM
REALLY don't need to worry about it because you only need top 3 in your class to qualify for the national level show, and that one is judged by real judges from abroad, not ******s from Chinese DMS bodybuilding federation.

There was one case of a guy getting 3rd in his class then 2 months later being judged by people who aren't Chinese and suddenly destroying the people he "lost" to in the classic physique division.

But again, I'm still years from that level and need literally probably another 20-25lbs of muscle to be competitive at this height.
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06-02-2020 , 09:34 AM
Back
Rows: 102kgx13, 92kgx12, 80kgx10
pulldowns with mag bar: 3 sets of 10-15 ultra slow negatives. Just testing elbow, felt okay until last set
db csr: 20kgx14,13
dl: 100kgx15
machine rows: 1ppsx10x2

cardio 20 minutes treadmill

35 mins cardio at lunch and my ten minute walks after the other two meals

****ing exhausted from training. My motivation to diet/cardio is high, but weight training I'm feeling pretty burnt out. I was already skipping chest this week and doing only shoulder isolation+cardio. I think I'll turn the sessions after that into deload sessions and give myself a small break. Just no sets to failure and lower volume slightly...
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06-02-2020 , 09:54 AM
Meal 1
50g whey, mixed berries, 6oz skim

Meal 2
250g chicken breast, 1 cup rice, 1 avocado, green beans

Meal 3
Same as meal 2

Meal 4 (post workout)
200g (measured raw) sirloin steak green beans

Meal 5
same as meal 1

****, there's no way I'm going to be able to stick to only one liquid meal a day. At least during the weekends I can have real food. I'm just too tired/out of time to make something else and I'm going to wanna kms if I eat chicken rice 4x/day. That's fine. Most bodybuilders do 2 shakes a day even during prep... I'll get a worse tasting lower calorie protein as we get deeper into this prep. Perhaps I could make some kind of protein french toast/protein pancakes. I ****ing love oats but they just wrrreeccckk my digestion.

My 300g sirloin steaks will arrive tomorrow.
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06-02-2020 , 10:48 AM
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Perhaps I could make some kind of protein french toast/protein pancakes.
All aboard the COATH GREG train?
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06-02-2020 , 01:36 PM
re: pics

fat. cut.
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06-03-2020 , 08:40 AM
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All aboard the COATH GREG train?
I did 410 cals worth of white bread and 3 whole eggs with mixed berries french toast. It is so sating that I forgot to eat until long afterword and went very hypoglycemic after today's cardio.


ordered some egg whites, sugar free syrup, and higher protein bread. It's not proper p28 bread, but higher protein than greg's "regular ass bread".

I'm thinking of mixing the protein powder with the egg whites, cinnamon, and nutmeg rather than using artificial sweetner. The protein already has a nice sweet flavor in it. Then my regular frozen mixed berries on it most of the time since sugar free syrup is super overpriced here.

I have been making a ****ing massive donk move without even realizing it... 1 scoop of BSN Syntha 6 = 200 calories. If you're doing 4 scoops a day, each week you're getting 5,600 cals just from protein powder. But a proper whey isolate that doesn't taste quite as good, but who gives a **** when you down the shake in 4.8 seconds, has only 120 cals per scoop. 80*4*7 = 2240 less calories per week just by switching protein powders!!! and the isolates are barely any less satiating, probably won't even notice a difference.


huge ****ing diet leak I did not even realize existed until today.

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06-03-2020 , 08:54 AM
I'm not dropping $100 on his ebook, but i checked a bunch of the anabolic kitchen recipes. I'm sticking to my chicken+rice+avocado meals 2-3x/day, but for things to throw in for variety/sanity and hacks to increase satiety, a lot of these seem great. I actually can get that powdered peanut butter stuff he was alluding to, looks amazing. Ordered that as well.
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06-04-2020 , 10:52 PM
What are your thoughts on someone injecting some hcg and taking some oral nolvadex/Aromasin? I’m looking to increase recovery to train more jiu jitsu and clear up a bit of gyno that’s painful when some one tries to arm bar me. Not looking for strength or size gains (actually trying to drop weight long term) I would send a pm but these are legal and seems like a pretty open thread.
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06-05-2020 , 03:03 AM
What's the point of the HCG exactly?

Nolva/Aromasin even when not on AAS have been used to clear up pubertal gyno. Nolva will be more effective for this, but you'll need to be on it for several months to see any results (and you may still not see any depending on how mature the gyno is). Raloxifene is perhaps slightly more effective and faster for this purpose, but none of these are guaranteed to work. If you have gyno that becomes painful with pressure, it is probably immature enough to be receptive to these treatments.

IANAD, and I recommend you ask an endo if it's not prohibitively expensive for you.

Also, get blood work and check estradiol. I would almost certainly NOT take aromasin or any other AI unless you see that your serum estradiol is out of the normal range. These are not drugs to be taken lightly and low estrogen will make you feel like ****, reduce your recovery and muscle building capacity, and crush your penis.
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06-05-2020 , 08:17 PM
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I'm not dropping $100 on his ebook, but i checked a bunch of the anabolic kitchen recipes. I'm sticking to my chicken+rice+avocado meals 2-3x/day, but for things to throw in for variety/sanity and hacks to increase satiety, a lot of these seem great. I actually can get that powdered peanut butter stuff he was alluding to, looks amazing. Ordered that as well.
Yeah I've seen some of his recipe videos lol. What kind of ****ing idiot pays $100 for a cookbook from someone who has LITERALLY NO IDEA what they're doing in the kitchen? There must be some people buying this thing or else COACH YUPPIE IDIOT wouldn't be selling it. THE AUDACITY!

Here I'll save you $100:

1. put some protein powder and a bunch of random **** in blender
2. slurp it down after a workout

Was that so hard? Did you really need COACH YUPPIE to teach you how to do that? Come on. People who pay $100 for this "cookbook" are all wearing COLE HAANS FROM NORDSTROM.

This is a guy who thinks Ben & Jerry's is 10/10. I mean WTF. He probably thinks Red Lobster is an upscale fine dining restaurant.



I wonder how he'd rate this horseshit sludge if you gave him some really good ice cream first. Xanthan gum is disgusting btw. It gives everything a nasty gluey foamy texture, but all the "molecular" IDIOT WANNABE YUPPIE BETA CHEFS love it because they're terrified of starch for god knows what reason.

Every YUPPIE IDIOT fitness yootoober has some protein snack/dessert recipes. They're a dime a dozen and they're all disgusting. Drinking protein shakes 4x/day does not qualify you to make really good food using protein powder you CLUELESS YUPPIE BETAS. I could just put some whey + almond butter + fruit in a bowl and mash it up and it tastes better than 99% of these nonsense fake food protein snacks full of weird fiber syrups (WTF even is that ****?), artificial sweeteners, artificial colors/flavors and emulsifiers. Learn how to cook something other than chicken breasts and broccoli and then maybe you'll be able to do something with protein powder that doesn't suck.
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06-05-2020 , 09:44 PM
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What's the point of the HCG exactly?

Nolva/Aromasin even when not on AAS have been used to clear up pubertal gyno. Nolva will be more effective for this, but you'll need to be on it for several months to see any results (and you may still not see any depending on how mature the gyno is). Raloxifene is perhaps slightly more effective and faster for this purpose, but none of these are guaranteed to work. If you have gyno that becomes painful with pressure, it is probably immature enough to be receptive to these treatments.

IANAD, and I recommend you ask an endo if it's not prohibitively expensive for you.

Also, get blood work and check estradiol. I would almost certainly NOT take aromasin or any other AI unless you see that your serum estradiol is out of the normal range. These are not drugs to be taken lightly and low estrogen will make you feel like ****, reduce your recovery and muscle building capacity, and crush your penis.
Thanks, super helpful! I know some people that take hcg and they say it has upped there recovery and has helped their bjj game.

Been to endo and gotten bloodwork (everything was within normal ranges). since the gyno isn’t visible when I’m shirtless the endo basically said gtfo because I’m not a candidate for AI or surgery and didn’t seem to understand bjj and how annoying it is.
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06-05-2020 , 10:40 PM
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Yeah I've seen some of his recipe videos lol. What kind of ****ing idiot pays $100 for a cookbook from someone who has LITERALLY NO IDEA what they're doing in the kitchen? There must be some people buying this thing or else COACH YUPPIE IDIOT wouldn't be selling it. THE AUDACITY!

Here I'll save you $100:

1. put some protein powder and a bunch of random **** in blender
2. slurp it down after a workout

Was that so hard? Did you really need COACH YUPPIE to teach you how to do that? Come on. People who pay $100 for this "cookbook" are all wearing COLE HAANS FROM NORDSTROM.

This is a guy who thinks Ben & Jerry's is 10/10. I mean WTF. He probably thinks Red Lobster is an upscale fine dining restaurant.



I wonder how he'd rate this horseshit sludge if you gave him some really good ice cream first. Xanthan gum is disgusting btw. It gives everything a nasty gluey foamy texture, but all the "molecular" IDIOT WANNABE YUPPIE BETA CHEFS love it because they're terrified of starch for god knows what reason.

Every YUPPIE IDIOT fitness yootoober has some protein snack/dessert recipes. They're a dime a dozen and they're all disgusting. Drinking protein shakes 4x/day does not qualify you to make really good food using protein powder you CLUELESS YUPPIE BETAS. I could just put some whey + almond butter + fruit in a bowl and mash it up and it tastes better than 99% of these nonsense fake food protein snacks full of weird fiber syrups (WTF even is that ****?), artificial sweeteners, artificial colors/flavors and emulsifiers. Learn how to cook something other than chicken breasts and broccoli and then maybe you'll be able to do something with protein powder that doesn't suck.
If youre not ketoing.and want to be stage ready, chicken breast, white fish, green veggies, and rice are going to.be the bulk of your diet. But if you get a random craving for junk, sating it with egg white high protein french toast and some sugar free syrup is way better for getting shredded than real french toast. Its k though, i can tolerate the monotony for a long period of time.
I cant even get most of tgose crazy yuppie ingredients for most of gregs recipes. the french toast is legit though. I agree the ice cream.stuff is just way too much effort.

I got 10 cartons of egg whites. prob doing 2 eggs and a cup of whites with veggies and leftover chicken for everyday breakfasts if i can get up early enough.
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