hey you say "choose a sport you can do as an adult" it sounds like you are saying there are many sports you cannot do getting older. i sawa baseball player just pitched a good game in MLB at 49 years old, and you have top players in england playing soccer at 38 years old. with good training and a little luck you can do most sports all your life, as far as i know.

you also say you haven't done much lately but that is cause you were injured, which i predicted would happen. i dont know details of your injury so maybe it was bad luck and has nothing to do with what i think was suspect programming. but you know if it was "overly agressive" training make sure you learn going forward it sucks being injured.

consider looking into the FMS.

I took Doug to mean that many adults don't do a sport (maybe they think they can't do one as they get older?). Also, part of the equation is that while adults can for sure continue sports they used to excel at, for many it's frustrating. If you played baseball at a somewhat decently high level, you likely aren't going to get better. But in weightlifting you basically can keep improving in different ways.

My secret is that I never played a sport at a high level so I can get better at anything!

I mean remaining competitive as an adult (especially up through the age of 40) and not residing to a life of relative inactivity is just about the best investment in your future that you can make. I'd rather never make over 100K a year and always be in the best shape I can than make 500K and feel crappy. I think most people completely lose sight of this until it is too late and generally just forget how much being in good shape magnifies the enjoyment that you get out of the things in life that are generally cheap/free. Like the outdoors.

I don't know what FMS is.

In the past when I've been injured it was always been something that I could work around. I basically didn't mind getting injured because it didn't get in the way of training, in the grand scheme of things. The most recent string of injuries sucked because they made it impossible to do anything.

My training was probably bordering on being overly aggressive, made worse by the fact that I was not aware of some of the muscular issues I was having until it was too late to address them through SMR. But it's not like I was lifting for hockey and I could just take time off in the gym and do skill work. So meh, injuries happen and I'll return to form eventually, probably with the only major change being that I don't go heavy quite as often.

bruiser, is that you?

FMS is Functional Movement Systems: http://functionalmovement.com/

4-19

Squat- 45x5x2, 135x5, 185x4, 225x3, 255x2, 275x1, 295x5
Shrugs- 315x8, 365x8x2, 315x15
Drop Snatches- up to 164
Ab Wheel Rollouts- knees on a 16 inch bench x 20, 15, 12

Squats were ok. I don't think I did a good job of keeping my chest up and probably wasn't staying tight enough in the hole.

I should eat and sleep more.

[QUOTE=The Yugoslavian;32686339]If you played baseball at a somewhat decently high level, you likely aren't going to get better. But in weightlifting you basically can keep improving in different ways.

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most people dont get better cause they train with the goal of peaking at a younger age and then pass there time COMPETING so of course they wont improve they wear their bodies down. IMO the idea behind what you state is a myth propogated by people with no confidence, bad training, and bad work ethic or maybe it is just no imagination.

doug to respond to your first point, i get what you're saying... its just i read an implication in how you write that people over 30 or 35 years of age are limited to a SELECT group of activites where they can be competitive and as i gave examples above, i think you can be competitive at the highest levels in MOST activites into your 40's. of course in your case i know this is academic cuase you happen to enjoy powerlifting...

lol "bordering on being overly agressive" come on man you were on smylov squats and wanted to do smylov squats every month and you thought you could... i disagree that "injuries happen" it is symptomatic of programming and i predict that if you dont learn from what happens here you will have worse and more frequent problems in the future. its my personal opinion, based on my own experience, that rolling, for the most part, is somewhere between a waste of time and a distraction. look to FMS and FMS corrective work it is far more powerful.

you can take or leave what i post here i know you are knowledgable on this i dont mean to be rude or disrespectful stating this i just want to share with you what i know

The only thing I'm saying is sports are the best way to stay in shape. Staying in shape is really ****ing important to getting the most out of your life. I'm not making any statement about what sports are appropriate for various ages. All I'm saying is find something that you enjoy that fits into your schedule and be competitive enough at it so that you are motivated to eat correctly, lift weights, do cardio, etc.

I like how you feel inclined to comment on a program that you've never attempted. When I started, I thought smolov would kick my ass. I didn't get as much out of it as I had hoped, but my performance on it was pretty good and it definitely did not lead to my injury. I finished my Smolov squat cycle in July and injured my back in December.

You could argue that my last smolov jr bench cycle pushed my over the edge and lead to the impinged nerve and I wouldn't disagree. I will say that I don't consider an impinged nerve to be a real injury, it's just a minor nuisance that gets in the way of max effort lifts. My chiropractor said that they are inevitable for anyone who lifts weights that doesn't get regular ART, and he was surprised I had made it that far without encountering one before.

From the website, FMS looks like a brand of stretching. Yeah dude, I know that static stretching antagonist muscles can improve performance. I wouldn't even put FMS into the same category as SMR or ART. SMR and ART describe treatments that can loosen a muscle, and FMS is a philosophy on how to improve mobility. There is no reason that FMS couldn't include both SMR and ART.

Rolling/SMR will be a waste of time if you don't progress to harder and smaller implements and have a good diagnosis of what your issues are and a plan of attack. Mindlessly rolling over your IT bands for 30 seconds with a soft foam roller every once in awhile won't do ****. Recognizing that your lateral knee pain around the femoral epicondyle is contributed to by poor tissue quality in the distal portion of your IT band and attacking it over a couple of weeks will do ****.

i disagree with a lot of what you say but i want to respond to just a couple points in particular. you say that i talk about smylov without having done it. i did the smylov squatting program for a bit over 2 weeks which may or may not mean anything. however, i do have experience squatting and doing other heavy lifts with varying frequency. i know what it is like to squat for an extended period of time three times a week, one time a week, and no times a week.

you criticize me for talking about smolov programming without having experience with it, but then you degrade FMS without having done it. FMS stands for "functional movement screen" it has little to do with stretching muscles as the focus is on quality movement.

See Bruiser, you come into my thread and drop a term that, as far as I know has never been discussed in H&F before. So after I ask WTF it means I go to the website and see a very commercial looking presentation clearly designed to market the service/certification and make money and not disseminate information. So I look into articles on FMS corrections, since correcting poor movement/posture patterns is what we're talking about, and I find these articles:

http://functionalmovement.com/articles/corrections

And I read the article on low back pain (shouldn't it be "lower back pain?") and it ****ing blows, draws ****ty conclusions, and then gives a couple of pics of stretches.

So communication brah. I know you're not being deliberately cryptic, but come on, at least make an effort to express your thoughts fully so that there is no room for interpretation.

Anyway, do I measure my mobility frequently so I can track things like shoulder internal rotation on a day to day basis? Obviously not, I'm never more than 2 days removed from a workout so I'm pretty much always a bit tight and stiff and I'm not going to spend 15 minutes getting warm, then 15 minutes measuring and recording my range of motion every couple of days.

I mean you've lifted with me before. You know that I have a reasonable understanding of most of the relevant musculoskeletal anatomy for the exercises that I do and a good understanding of how the exercises should look when performed correctly under optimal mobility. If anything the biggest non-programming adjustment that I should be making is to video a lot more of my worksets to assess my own mobility a bit better so I can work on my issues sooner, because when you're doing a 5rm squat you can't always tell that your hip external rotation isn't what it should be and it is limiting your ability to keep your chest up in the hole.

PS I'm lifting tomorrow afternoon if you wanna crush all you can eat sushi for lunch then lift around 3pm I'm down. I know a good all you can eat sushi place in Winchester like 10 mins from my house.

I really want to treat this as a challenge. Alas, I will just continue to get frustrated with my inability to perform the Olympic Lifts in a technical manner.

Good. Anyways you don't have a chance at winning with my Lamar Gantian like build, right down to the long arms and scoliosis.

i am not bruiser.

"so I'm pretty much always a bit tight and stiff "

that and your injuries is why i suggest you look into FMS for new ideas on how to go forward which i think can help you. you can look on youtube and search grey cook for some ideas on it. also FMS is not about stretching, but it is also not about mobility. that is why i suggest it, it is different. it is based on movement. so instead of focussing on something like internal shoulder rotation you focus on a general movement pattern that you should be able to do with your shoulders, and get that to work and the idea is that mobility in the joints and flexibility in the muscle will follow. also, traditional thought is that if you can't move your shoulder a certain way than you need to do mobility/stretching work on that shoulder but FMS teaches that you can look to different parts of the body maybe its the spine, the core, or the hips that cause the problem. FMS is a screeing tool (now used by the NFL due to its sucess) used to predict a persons likelyhood of injury.

a video of me doing the shoulder screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPrSp...feature=relmfu


this is a good introduction to it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxS02...feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9vcG...feature=relmfu

"You know that I have a reasonable understanding of most of the relevant musculoskeletal anatomy for the exercises that I do and a good understanding of how the exercises should look when performed correctly under optimal mobility"

yeah i respect your knowledge on lifting so i am not saying my opinion is you have to do this stuff i am just putting it out there for you to look into more if you are interseted.

tomorrow i have a soccer game, but sunday would work. i definitely think we should lift first than eat

sounds exactly like something bruiser would say.

Dec 2005 tho.

imo

Pretty sure Bruiser was on level 7 when he started on 2p2 and created 234234234 gimmick accounts for this eventuality.

Plus this account's first post appears to be at the end of last year. Reg and not use your account for almost 7 years lurker who suddenly jumps into a very specific thread with a ton of knowledge about the OP?

Not sure why I'm even posting this, Bruiser's gonna Bruise imo.

Actually it looks like TheMoreYouKnow is VarianceMinefield (from this thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=708).

So I suppose that is a bruiser acct too? Maybe the account he uses mainly for POG?

Hmmm, seems like it - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...6&postcount=58. I'm actually pretty impressed at all these different accounts and reg dates and the complexity of it all.

bruiser? i doubt it

bruiser makes something like 9 typos for every 4 words written.

He's some random guy arguing with a log author on his own log of course its ****ing bruiser.

Pretty sure my 5 mins of sleuthing was pretty conclusive. I mean, I think the posts were pretty conclusive but I'm just sayin'.

Once I know what account is Bruiser I generally like his posts - it's just hard sometime to know if he's trolling or posting something random, or if he's trying to post something smart (b/c then it usually is).

If varianceminefield is bruiser my mind will be officially blown.

<3 DF

4-21

6 Rounds:
OHP- 125x4
Neutral Grip Pullups- +45x4
Rest 1:40

3 Rounds:
Dips- +45x8
Lat Pulldowns- ??xMax
Rest 1:30

Felt like crap.