Just wondering if anyone had opinions regarding fat burners. Are they effective? If so, what brand and why?

Quick background...I'm in very good shape. About 8% body fat. I eat quite well and like to do intense jumproping and sprints as my cardio a few times a week.

I'm just looking for somthing to provide a small boost. Not looking for a miracle in a pill. Placebo effect may even be enough..

thks

I think ephedra is legal again. Go get some of that. It works.

Ephedra is good, but I'd look into Ergopharm's AMP/AMP2, IMO.

Sesamin...people report limp dick, but I've never gotten it. I'd also like to try Adrenalean by Designer Supplements, I've heard some good things about it. I'd stick to Amp 2.0 for Kyle's rec...its supposed to be better for fat loss than Amp 1.0, but I'm not crazy about the ingredient profile.

If you can find Avant Labs H.E.A.T. stack anywhere it rocks...but it might be sold out everywhere as they prepare to unveil a new version.

I've you've never tried a topical that might be an interesting route to take...the only one I ever really tried was Targex and it seemed to work. You might try looking at Avant Labs Napalm...it's got the same active as Targex (Glycyherrtinic Acid) and some other goodies.

Topicals? Do those actually work?

you mean in a way other than localized water retention or placebo effect?

if you are 8%...you should already have some sort of 6pack, what exactly is your goal? When you say 'boost' are you strictly referring to energy levels, or do you mean something to get you to a lower bf%?


maybe do a google search on pre-contest diet/training. I believe there are a few things you can take to drain yourself of excess water retention (dandelion root, and potassium loading)

I just started taking this for the past week, 2 capsules twice daily. Usually once before working out and once some other time depending on if I work out morning or night. I definitely feel like it gives me an energy boost and it might just be placebo/coinciding with my increased dedication to getting in shape, but I feel like taken twice daily it has somewhat suppressed my appetite. No jitters.

I'll bump this again with an update once I've taken it for a more substantial amount of time.

Actually some have been surprisingly effective. I haven't tried Napalm, but I got two bottles of Targex for free and was extremely skeptical but saw results. Here is some of the science behind it...(Napalm write-up, not Targex)

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

Quite a bit of studies have been done in the last few years showing the ability of a proper carrier to deliver ingredients.

I basically have a 4 pack...have some fat on lower stomach and back I can't seem to get rid of. Goal is just to look my best at the beach and vacations over Spring/Summer.

By boost, I mean just a little help. My energy level is already pretty high. I guess I'm more looking for something where the ingredients will speed my metabolism.

Thanks for all of the replies so far...will check them out....except for the one that might cause a limp dic lol

how often do you eat? when i started eating 6 times a day smaller portions instead of 3 larger ones, i started burning fat faster.

I eat 6-8 times. Nothing structured or strict. Everything I eat is great, but it still might be too much. For example, I might snack on unsalted raw almonds several times a day in between main meals.

If you aren't tracking your calories then taking a fat burner is almost pointless. Get on www.fitday.com and keep track of what is going into you.

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I have no dount that you are right in that counting calories is very important for alot of people.

But its something I will never do. If I'm hungry, I eat. But it's always good items. I'm at an equilibrium where I can mantain 8% BF with my normal diets and normal workouts.

So to maybe get to 6% I thought it was possible that I could get there maintaning my current eating lifestyle but incorporate a fat burner along with a few extra cardio sessions per week.

taking ephedra has made it difficult to lose bodyfat, now that I have taken it previously, similar how its harder to study once you've taken adderol to do it. I would stay away, as I don't think you want to be taking it everytime you want to get ripped for summer, beach vacations. Just stop being lazy and do more cardio.

citation? To my knowledge the only way to deliver medication topically is through iontophoresis, and only with lidocaine or dexamethasone. Even though those methods are still used, I've read several articles in the journal of physical therapy and the journal of athletic training stating the ineffectiveness of treatment.

I've heard great results on the EC (Ephedra Cafeine stack)... you really have to take them together to see the good results.

I'll be trying a new fat burner from Designer Supplements soon called Lean Xtreme. Also have heard great reviews on it; allows you to keep your strength while also dropping some fat.

Science has stated otherwise....I'd suggest clicking the link and reviewing the references.

I still have about 100 of the real ephedrine from the old days. I've been taking it with a 200mg caffeine pill before boot camp and before working out on the weekends. It gives me a pretty big energy boost. When I run out, am I going to have a tough time finding something that matches?

The science you speak of was what I was referencing. And I did look at the references, 2/3 of the articles are about experiments with rats and mice. If you seriously say it is a legitimate claim that rubbing a certain cream, but not any other cream on earth, will melt the fat away, you need to take a course on simple human physiology.

I've taken numerous human physiology courses and have a degree in exercise science. It isn't about a "certain cream" numerous companies have ingredients delivered through topical form. It is a matter of having the right carrier. I'll admit it isn't my expertise by any means but if you visit mindandmuscle.net and go to the forums with specific questions the guys at Avant will be happy to answer them and they could do it much better than I can. The idea that you "can't" deliver something via a topical is blatantly false though.

Here's another link for further information: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a


4. How short-term transdermal treatment of men with 7-oxo-dehydroepiandrosterone influence thyroid function. R Hampl, J Sulcova, R Bilek, and M Hill. Physiol Res, Jan 2006; 55(1): 49-54.

5. Transformation in vitro of [4-14C ] dehydroepiandrosterone into 7-oxygenated derivatives by the normal human male and female skin tissue. Faredin, I., A. Fazekas, I. Toth, and M. Juslesz. J. Invest. Dermatol. 52:357. 1969

Also, (as I mentioned) I've never used Napalm. The only topical I've ever used was Targex...but I like the ingredient list in Napalm and I might give it a try sometime (although I rarely "buy" supplements, usually they are given to me for logs). Still, I wouldn't be quick to dismiss it because you think topical delivery isn't possible...it is.

I think I speak for many posters here when I ask that you please post results if you take it. After rereading my last post, I think I was being a bit dickish (if that's a word), so for that I apologize. What did you think of Targex?

not unless you find speed.