Hello again S&F. Sensei haller. I am back to finish what I started. For those who don't know me - I was previously SenseiSingh and a reg on these forums.

I want to keep things positive so I am looking back with rose tinted glasses.

I had chronic low back problems that were exacerbating after each spasm so with the help of Cha59 and others OTF I was able to fix my troubled back and the whole process was accelerated after meeting an adept doctor who tailored my workout regimen in a progression that lead to acid test exercises like Dead Lifts being executed safely with no back trouble.

Heck, I can sit for 12 hrs now and not even feel any discomfort in my back.

I was on gear* for 6 months and strength went up heaps and rather quickly. I pulled a 200kg DL then got to 215kg x 1. Squats didn't go up very much. I reached 192kg x 3 and a somewhat difficult 195kg with an atrocious attempt at 200kg. I got up but #quatersquatgang

It was nerve wrecking at first but awesome later! If I ever do it again, I will learn from some mistakes (esp regarding diet) ~3 months after the last jab and dose, my T levels are within normal range. Sub 400 though.

Bench shot up to 127kg x 5 x 1 from 107kg x 1. Last 1RM that was attempted was 131kg. It took 2 weeks and 2 attempts to nail it.

I did not lose fat though, but gained significant muscle before starting a wee deficit and cardio and more focus on pump up tone up sh*t.

A month into that, I dislocated an ankle bone with a hairline fracture to boot all because I chose to play hoops for a week as cardio.

I went into a lul because I could not lift and thoughts of losing all my strength occupied my mind relentlessly. I found that it's mentally very tough being on gear, sort of like - no turning back now feeling. I hated the jab days. Loved the workouts

I kept pushing too hard with a broken ankle tho, to the point I got a bad swelling around it and fever. Had to lay off the ankle, had already stopped the cycle days after the twist.

Poker was excellent in this recovery period but slowly I started becoming really demotivated....like really facking demotivated. The head of cardiology at a nearby Hospital (not the doctor I had at hand during the cycle) recently diagnosed me with 'motivational Anhedonia' a condition where a person does not find anything enjoyable, no matter how much they love doing it lel

I didn't pay much regard to a 'Multi-speciality God of the Hospital Doctor'. He prescribed me Valium and Prozac when I told him I was on a cycle and also taking Modafinil on the reg and it is probably the Modafinil hang over (because I quit and post cycle things went to normal rather quickly - I don't know what all the hype is but I reacted really well to the roids, with 'best case scenario' sides and I actually made a lot of mistakes with my diet.).

I still took 5mg Valium 2x daily and 1 x Prozac 20mg in the morning for 2 weeks. I also got a letter from that doctor to visit a Neuro-psychiatrist who said "it was the right treatment."

I hate benzos. Foggy and groggy but I actually wanted to get rid of any addiction to Modafinil and to be smart and safe so like I said, I did go with the doctor's advice.

I am back to normal. Off the medication. It lasted 3 weeks in the end with last week being 2.5mg Vallium per day. This was all like 40 days ago.

Since then moar boomswitch in poker and a steady rehab of the ankle. I can walk at a jog-worthy pace and started bw push ups and air squats.

I was kind of lost as to where to re-start. Yesterday I over did it with the exercise intensity (still eager not to lose all this strength and upper body seems to have lost strength or perhaps my posterior chain needs some re-conditioning. I am cold right now when it comes to compounds. Haven't lifted weights in 2.5 months.

This morning I woke up with a laterally tilted pelvis so probably a slight back spasm with a muscle stuck in contraction (which might actually be fatigue from yesterday tbh) Already did some light core stuff and rested a lot and went for a long walk. Feeling good with the ankle and Ok with the back.

I will log my workouts here.

Aim is simply to get strong with sub 20% BF. Try to fix up look sharp. Also, I have stopped with all substances (though I wasn't abusing any) but the requirement to stay off alcohol during the 6 month cycle made me sorta become indifferent to beer. I will enjoy one but don't like more than 2. Hate it in fact. No more stimulants either.

Only thing I partake in and probably will continue to - bill up and blaze to a 'stay functional' degree almost every day of the week.

;tldr

Nov 1

Walking x 30 mins x twice

Pull up bar hangs with glute and core braced.

Very light birddogs followed with rest.

Current activity: Finishing this post. About to start a small poker session.

I have also asked if my old account can be re-instated.

Sick lifts; hope you continuing healing up and get back at it.

I'll keep tabs on the mod forum as required to see what the gestalt is about restoring your old account.

Welcome back! Pro tip: ban mikey mike from your log as a preventative measure.

Welcome back, good luck

Thank's Monte, SM and xuk.

Gotta log or accountability of workouts dip. Feeling fresh and clean. Gotta get back the pulls. Don't think DLs will have regressed that much but pretty sure rest of the lifts will be weak. The good thing is there is no change in volume of muscle which obv skyrocketed and peaked in August. Hopefully I can get back to scratch soon.

Main focus will be diet this time. Not counting calories rigorously but very much healthy and protein rich.

Don't know if I will cycle or not. I am sure I will be mentally more prepared this time but gonna be natty training for now.

I am curious as to what loco would think of my lack of sides and recovery without PCT. I was jabbing pharma grade test and deca (both 500mg per week divided into 2 jabs each week) combined with legit looking Dbol. I could certainly feel the affects so I know it was no dud.

Plus I got vascular as heck. Like real aliens. I had a comprehensive test done recently due to the fever that followed the swelling in the ankle and all elevated numbers had dropped.

BP was a clean 120/75, all vital organs perfect, EEG perfect - except they freaking spot shaved my chest to put the electrodes and the stubble was the most horrible thing ever. Only abnormal result was boderline high cholesterol but numbers significantly dropped since when I was ON.

SM, my trigger threshold has gone up heaps but preventative measure still taken.

pics of aliens?

What mistakes do you think you made with the diet?

gl!!

On it. Have to rummage through icloud

Basically the knowledge that 1. a cleaner diet keeps the lipid numbers to not-so-absurd levels cuz mine went through the roof and though they would with a clean diet as well, there is a huge difference.

A bit more protein even though I was eating close to 180g I was piling it with carbs, so moar protein less carbs and the fact that eating maintenance or there abouts would be enough to gain the same lean mass and actually better route because the less fat you have more protein synthesis (got most of the info from Evo).

So I possibly would never have needed cardio and a deficit because pre-gear I did a good job of a recomp though it took 2 years.

cliffs - eat cleaner, eat close to maintenance. Shoot up. Would have ended up with 4kg less fat with probably likkle bit more muscle.


On the general experience regarding sides..

Everyone reacts differently to side-effects I guess. In my case, acne reduced, hair on my head got a lot more white strands rather quickly however I was turning some white hair before the cycle and had to take an AI every other day.
Sex drive was iffy and took the longest to come back and perhaps PCT would have helped but labs kept showing decent T levels and always rising so I never did.

Ball size shrank but no prostate issues. Balls got back to normal size within 30-40 days and when I got my first post abrupt-stop-to-cycle lab done a month later I already had T levels at 180 so I decided to wait and see....

Now I have about 4-5 months worth of gear stored away. This time before getting on a cycle I'd like to achieve the same lifts and also be leaner. That was a mistake too. Could have started the cycle after a few months of deficit and thus lower bf.

Good to see you back posting here.

My doc has me on HCG twice a week to prevent ball shrinkage.

I got on HCG but 2 months into it, which was essentially 3m 2w because I did a 6 week feeler with Test only.

But A+ to having a Doctor in the know. I did go through the dosages and lab work like clockwise and under his guidance till I didn't need any. I am planning on getting a full check up with the same Doc, him being an Endo and all that and just to make sure. I just can't wait to lift man. I will take it slow though.

The Doctor who was involved with fixing my ankle said I should stick to walking and start doing pass to the wall with a football or have someone play simple passes with me, trap the ball, fun sort of rehab. He doesn't know but my entire ankle rehab was more akin to Mcgill philosophy of stabilising the joint by creating labile surfaces using my DL blocks and tennis balls. The conventional rehab of flexion and extension and articulation in all other directions was like a side thing.

So I don't know about the football thing but he thinks my ankle is solid now and I need to just sort of get into things because soft tissue damage was minimal to begin with and Dexa and MRI (combined cost 60$ lol) showed a fully healed joint, better than my right ankle in fact lol.

Again, it has a lot to do with mentally getting over it. If I didn't want to lift or possess the desire for a decent bit of athleticism before I hit 35, I would have had the time of my life nursing broken bones lol.

Welcome back and good luck!

Opened this for the first time and this is the first post I see SMH.....not sure if I should continue reading.

Welcome back and gl. Interested to see if you're going on gear again or not. I'm not discounting the possibility of doing a cycle at some point in the future. Made more likely by the fact everything is pretty much over the counter here. More research needed tho.

Legit side affect of exogenous hormones. Your head shaking will intensify the more you learn about the pituitary gland.

Yea probably but I want to be much leaner this time. It is definitely not easy though. Maybe I became too apprehensive even though I had communicated with an experienced user and tried to learn about it from actual texts and studies, not the forum crap. Steroid forums are riddled with a bias that fluctuates to both extremes in terms of positive affects and negative affects. Reality is that you have to go through an extremely strict regimen of both diet and exercise while battling a few sides. It is taxing and even vexing at times. There are 3 things that will definitely happen - High BP, High Cholesterol and Very high T-levels. A very abnormal and unhealthy state for your body to be in. Esp. since I stacked 2 injectable compounds and an oral. Jabbing Test alone is pointless.

The biggest population I encountered irl from interacting with this whey protein shop owner and Dbol supplier was guys stuck in a cycle because the 'beginners 12 week' program on every site did nothing and they decided to prolong their cycle after not having prepared to do so.

It's because on the forums you either find people who had insane gains over a short time and people who wasted their first cycle jacking off. Some of the stickies are true but they are more like a template than a polished article. Most of them are just rule of thumb.

I wasn't going to jump in at all, but ^ that is just wrong.

There are a handful of very successful bodybuilders and strength athletes who run test solo, or test+gh+insulin only then add stuff pre meet or show. And ofc trt for quality of life is far from pointless. Kinda depends on the person, some people like anabolics more, some like test more.

Anyway, good to have you back. You reached some really impressive numbers my man! Hoping you get a solid recovery and back on the gainz train eventually.

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All the thailand stuff is not really pharm grade and the prices kinda suck. But as long as you stick with the basics you're safe.

I haven’t gone past the forums as far as reading up on cycling goes, but every one of them recommend going T only for a first timer. This seems logical to me. I’d rather be as safe as possible and maybe get a little less gains than go with a bunch of different compounds and get a bunch of sides without knowing which one is causing them. It seems to me you got pretty fortunate with sides and recovery without pct. Would you agree?

@Evo I’ll pm you if I want to go through with it if that’s ok. Won’t be for some time though and have to cut first as well probably.

With the way things are going around these parts, looks like I'm going to have to choose between the needle or buying a pair of Capezios and going out to the Norwegian dance pasture of negative gains.

Life can be a cruel mistress.

fyp.

There's individuality to all of this, but the basics are the basics, whether it's drugs or training. We have plenty of guys in the gym running various stuff, all with less than 5 years experience with PED's. Anyone who's done them such short amount of time like that isn't really entitled to a strong opinion, iyam.

Honestly I got caught up in the gh15 crazzeeee when first starting and thought there was some exotic combination that would unlock "the look" or cause strength to shoot up more rapidly. But after a lot of experimentation, test and orals were all that was really important, with the latter maybe contributing a little bit more but making me feel crappy if I stayed on them too long.

If you google search "swiper bodybuilding" you'll come up with an absolute mass monster who could easily win a pro card who more just runs test+gh+insulin (with pretty big doses, of course).

Wow nice numbers

i am surprised that you ran that much. I already pushed back my added T age to 45. I just dont see the point, and dbol and deca never.

At 45 i will take T and maybe the latest oral gh peptide/sarm. Thats it, and i am still probably going to get too big. You must have some type of orexia to take that much stuff. Just T alone and you will get as big as gorilla. who the fack would want to be bigger?

I would think the numbers are something like this for me

2 years of deca/test/dbol - 20 pounds real lbm (some fake lbm and bloat already removed or it would be 30)

2 years of test only - 6 pounds real lbm

But since i am going on test forever, holy mother of god by age 55 i am going to be that old vascular jacked guy at the gym. We have all see him, he kinda scary. So does not compute why you would add deca/dbol, especially so soon.
Stop watching MrO you getting bigorexia.