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07-25-2022 , 09:17 AM
It is great to see everyone in their roles.

I did enjoy the fanfic about evolutionary biology and anterior pelvic tilt.

Obviously the best part of this is that many of these female athletes are completely incapable of reproducing. The jacked cheerleader with abs? Dump it in her. No worries about being a daddy.
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07-25-2022 , 01:20 PM
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It is great to see everyone in their roles.
I literally hadn't opened up H&F for six months, but it appears my return timing was fortuitous.

Hope all is well, btw.
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07-25-2022 , 06:24 PM
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It is great to see everyone in their roles.

I did enjoy the fanfic about evolutionary biology and anterior pelvic tilt.

Obviously the best part of this is that many of these female athletes are completely incapable of reproducing. The jacked cheerleader with abs? Dump it in her. No worries about being a daddy.
If the situation ever comes up I will be sure to take your advice.
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07-25-2022 , 07:28 PM
Oh no test only can't recover from a set of 3 on squats lol.

Ftr I have you in my pool for next h&fer to transition (no h8).
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07-25-2022 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GuyThatGoesToDaGym
A jordan peters style upper/lower 3 day per week split. He has a sample program laid out in the book "training principles". You don't have to copy that exercise selection exactly, of course, but it's a great way of structuring things

week1: Upper1/Lower1/Upper2 week2: /Lower2/Upper1/Lower1

With sufficient time between sessions and multiple exercises, you're going to end up adding either sets or reps on something each session. The trick is optimizing exercise selection for your bodytype and picking stuff that you connect well with.

When I arrived in China I was still around intermediate level. That first school I worked at was unusual because it had an actual spanish program and I was able to have basic conversations with the Chinese and foreign spanish teachers without too much difficulty. I'd say my oral spanish was never as good as my Chinese has gotten now.

Thanks for the rec. Just downloaded the book.
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07-25-2022 , 11:35 PM
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I literally hadn't opened up H&F for six months, but it appears my return timing was fortuitous.

Hope all is well, btw.
Can I get some book recs tho?
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07-26-2022 , 08:21 AM
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Can I get some book recs tho?
Haven't had a ton of time to read, but here's what been on the docket:

-I finally finished The Revolt of the Public a few months back - given the original edition is almost 10 years old, there were a lot of parts that were pretty prescient. Interesting read in hindsight for sure.

-I'm maybe 8 showers (60 pages) into The Tyranny of Merit by Sandel, and I'm cautiously optimistic. I also bought another of his (Justice), which is next on the list.

Have anything for me?
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07-26-2022 , 10:12 AM
hehe, you guys are funny. I think you'll find my posting quite milquetoast these days.

Push:
paused incline db ~20 degrees: 30kgx18, 14 used longer pauses
DB prone delt raises: 5kgx5 sets failure
Single arm ohp: 15kgx12, 8 each side
Deficit pushups: bwx18, 10
Cable flies: 2 sets
Pushdowns: 2 sets
Skullcrushers: 4 sets




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Oh no test only can't recover from a set of 3 on squats lol.

Ftr I have you in my pool for next h&fer to transition (no h8).
I remember that workout being 160x3, 180x3, 140x8x2 then some leg press and sldl. I always hamstring curl first. My hips just felt wrecked the day after. I don't think anyone can look at that video and attribute it to a form issue. Knees "sorta sore" but not crippling so. I guess this is just part of getting old. Nandrolone works great though. I'm still gonna keep going with paused squats for a while; might be just a move favorable exercise for hypertrophy and less wear and tear on connective tissue (maybe?). I was squatting every week at that time; now I'll be squatting at most once every 10 days but possibly every 14 days. I've been using sum bpc157 but I find it not as effective as just straight up nandrolone.




IDK if you guys know of Justin Harris. He's my favorite bodybuilding guru at the moment; was involved in the powerlifting world a bit and was "the guy that got Dave Tate lean that one time". Anyway, thought he had some interesting thoughts on training frequency. I'm not training 5-6x/wk rn because my regular gym is closed. I haven't decided what my frequency will be for most of this offseason; if I go with a more volume approach with fairly low average session RPE, 5-6 is fine. If I am training more like right now, something like 2 on 1 off or even just 4x/wk is fine.

His emphasis on food being the main differentiator for successful bodybuilders is also kind of novel, especially with regard to offseason. I think especially those of us coming from the pure strength background with oly or pl tend to underemphasize the importance of optimizing nutrition. He had a detailed breakdown about the # of people in America who use PEDs vs the number who actually look like bodybuilders and attributed the difference mostly to diet. IDK how much I agree with his idea that a lot of people are underreating, but it's definitely been something I've personally overlooked; been good at locking in precontest but really poor with consistency and food choices in offseason. Hopefully this go around is what changes this.
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07-27-2022 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by GuyThatGoesToDaGym

His emphasis on food being the main differentiator for successful bodybuilders is also kind of novel, especially with regard to offseason. I think especially those of us coming from the pure strength background with oly or pl tend to underemphasize the importance of optimizing nutrition. He had a detailed breakdown about the # of people in America who use PEDs vs the number who actually look like bodybuilders and attributed the difference mostly to diet. IDK how much I agree with his idea that a lot of people are underreating, but it's definitely been something I've personally overlooked; been good at locking in precontest but really poor with consistency and food choices in offseason. Hopefully this go around is what changes this.


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07-27-2022 , 07:57 AM
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hehe, you guys are funny. I think you'll find my posting quite milquetoast these days.

Push:
paused incline db ~20 degrees: 30kgx18, 14 used longer pauses
DB prone delt raises: 5kgx5 sets failure
Single arm ohp: 15kgx12, 8 each side
Deficit pushups: bwx18, 10
Cable flies: 2 sets
Pushdowns: 2 sets
Skullcrushers: 4 sets






I remember that workout being 160x3, 180x3, 140x8x2 then some leg press and sldl. I always hamstring curl first. My hips just felt wrecked the day after. I don't think anyone can look at that video and attribute it to a form issue. Knees "sorta sore" but not crippling so. I guess this is just part of getting old. Nandrolone works great though. I'm still gonna keep going with paused squats for a while; might be just a move favorable exercise for hypertrophy and less wear and tear on connective tissue (maybe?). I was squatting every week at that time; now I'll be squatting at most once every 10 days but possibly every 14 days. I've been using sum bpc157 but I find it not as effective as just straight up nandrolone.




IDK if you guys know of Justin Harris. He's my favorite bodybuilding guru at the moment; was involved in the powerlifting world a bit and was "the guy that got Dave Tate lean that one time". Anyway, thought he had some interesting thoughts on training frequency. I'm not training 5-6x/wk rn because my regular gym is closed. I haven't decided what my frequency will be for most of this offseason; if I go with a more volume approach with fairly low average session RPE, 5-6 is fine. If I am training more like right now, something like 2 on 1 off or even just 4x/wk is fine.

His emphasis on food being the main differentiator for successful bodybuilders is also kind of novel, especially with regard to offseason. I think especially those of us coming from the pure strength background with oly or pl tend to underemphasize the importance of optimizing nutrition. He had a detailed breakdown about the # of people in America who use PEDs vs the number who actually look like bodybuilders and attributed the difference mostly to diet. IDK how much I agree with his idea that a lot of people are underreating, but it's definitely been something I've personally overlooked; been good at locking in precontest but really poor with consistency and food choices in offseason. Hopefully this go around is what changes this.
Based on my anecdotal evidence of people I knew who took roids and ending up looking like **** vs people who didn't, I think he somewhat has a point. Knew one dude who thought his 3x a week plan + extra pizza/beer would do it. He now looks like ****. Probably since he's unwilling to diet.

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Originally Posted by Montecore
Haven't had a ton of time to read, but here's what been on the docket:

-I finally finished The Revolt of the Public a few months back - given the original edition is almost 10 years old, there were a lot of parts that were pretty prescient. Interesting read in hindsight for sure.

-I'm maybe 8 showers (60 pages) into The Tyranny of Merit by Sandel, and I'm cautiously optimistic. I also bought another of his (Justice), which is next on the list.

Have anything for me?
Interesting. Will look into those. Sadly I just read Principles which is pretty much preaching to the choir before you get to the "Work Principles" which is heavily biased toward American culture and even then an extremely alpha/killer/dead inside subset. But the first parts about creating a plan, working the plan, iterating parts that don't work is great to read even if that is how I approach a lot of stuff. (Maybe more useful if not borderline autistic.)

I'm currently on attempt 11 to read a Tale of Two Cities. I've been trying to read this for literally 20ish years. I basically stall at ~100 pages. I'm 130 in currently. Maybe I'll grind a little out on a rainy afternoon.
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07-27-2022 , 10:06 AM
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Based on my anecdotal evidence of people I knew who took roids and ending up looking like **** vs people who didn't, I think he somewhat has a point. Knew one dude who thought his 3x a week plan + extra pizza/beer would do it. He now looks like ****. Probably since he's unwilling to diet.



Yeah. I mean just moderating calories is basically all that superfatties need to do, but when it comes to enhanced intermediate and beyond bodybuilding, even the weight gain phase ends up being more nuanced than "just get your protein in and eat at a surplus", although for younger and more fresh bbers it usually is about that simple. I'm keeping an open mind and staying humble; I feel as though I still have a whole lot to learn and don't want to stay married to any beliefs about how to succeed in this hypertrophy game. But I'll try out meat+rice (or potato,quinoa, bread etc) 4x/day + 2 more meals of stuff like cream of rice, oats, high protein greek yogurt, or blended whey shakes and see how it works.

Pull:
Pullups: bwx16, 11, 7
Underhand rows: 70kgx25, 15 (big pr, i think +5 reps on top set +2 reps on backoff)
Plate loaded high rows: 50kgx13, 9
EZ curls: 4 sets failure
DB hammer curls: 3 sets failure

Morning bw around 95, gym bw around 98. I'm up around 8kg from show after 5 weeks. 2 more weeks left in this rebound phase and then I'm going to drop to TRT test (mk677 stays in year round) for 8 weeks and clean out for a bit. I've been having nagging shoulder pain on the left side and I'm going to drop to 3x/wk frequency and take my foot off the gas on training intensity and try to let some things heal up before we go into the main part of the offseason.
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07-27-2022 , 04:33 PM
So to give more context to that example, which I find completely baffling.

Guy goes to college at ~160 with abs, played soccer in HS. Proceeds to eat, do ****** T-nation routines, do roids, and drink infinite beers and manage to get upto a sloppy 230, where he (likely) remains today. Maybe he just got sold fake roids and got sloppy fat? I honestly don't understand how this happens. This was over a 6-8 month period when he was 18. So hard to even call him a BBer tbf.

I definitely think that once you start getting to the edge cases you can encounter personal differences from just GI issues to mild food allergies to all sorts of other ?!? that are nuanced. But getting to a point where it isn't asinine neckbearding obviously requires years of effort and understanding the interplay of your stack and body. Seems like a lot of guesswork and trying to suss some effect out of notes.
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07-29-2022 , 10:49 AM
I've got some more thoughts about GI issues in enhanced bbing but maybe later.

Minor emergency and need to evacuate from my city before it goes into full lockdown. I *should* be able to leave without quarantining on arrival with 2 negative tests, but even if I do go into quarantine this is much better than home quarantining for 50+ days Shanghai style. Sucks.... might be taking a break from lifting for a while which I guess isn't horrible timing.

Paused HBBS: 120kgx8, 100kgx10, 80kgx21
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07-29-2022 , 10:50 AM
I've got some more thoughts about GI issues in enhanced bbing but maybe later.

Minor emergency and need to evacuate from my city before it goes into full lockdown. I *should* be able to leave without quarantining on arrival with 2 negative tests, but even if I do go into quarantine this is much better than home quarantining for 50+ days Shanghai style. Sucks.... might be taking a break from lifting for a while which I guess isn't horrible timing.

Paused HBBS: 120kgx8, 100kgx10, 80kgx21
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07-29-2022 , 11:06 AM
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I've got some more thoughts about GI issues in enhanced bbing but maybe later.

Minor emergency and need to evacuate from my city before it goes into full lockdown. I *should* be able to leave without quarantining on arrival with 2 negative tests, but even if I do go into quarantine this is much better than home quarantining for 50+ days Shanghai style. Sucks.... might be taking a break from lifting for a while which I guess isn't horrible timing.

Paused HBBS: 120kgx8, 100kgx10, 80kgx21
If you're so inclined, I'd love to hear (to the extent that you are able) what the COVID situation is in China these days. It's one thing to read about it in the papers, but getting it straight from someone who lives there would be interesting.
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07-29-2022 , 11:55 AM
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If you're so inclined, I'd love to hear (to the extent that you are able) what the COVID situation is in China these days. It's one thing to read about it in the papers, but getting it straight from someone who lives there would be interesting.


Coming back here has made me realize I've changed a lot in two years, predominantly because I'm more terse. This could have been 4+ pages before, but this is all I have for you now:

My main conclusion is that I don't know jack **** about this situation. I realize now that the Chinese people I am close with are subject to EXTREME selection bias; generally anyone willing to be close with a foreigner is going to be more likely to be female, young, and progressive. From my biased perspective, every Chinese person hates the CCP and believes that we should abandon zero covid tomorrow and "live with the virus" as the rest of the world does. But if you go on weibo (Chinese twitter) or douyin where a more representative sample exists, foreigners are entirely responsible for covid and this omicron thing is propaganda and this virus is super deadly and you're going to die if you get it and we need to adopt hitler style nationalism including deportation and extermination of all people who are not of the Chinese race and nationality (no I am not exaggerating, literally praising hitler). But then I'll run into other people who have never interacted with another foreigner because they've never run into another one who spoke Chinese and they express strong anti-government views and see lots of protests over lockdowns and housing developers defrauding investors and bank stuff....

My gut tells me that Farmer Zhou out in the countryside is the dominant opinion and is probably toward the extreme hypernationalism/covid fear "must maintain covid 0 and lockdowns indefinitely to protect the superior Chinese race from foreign devils" and whatever I encounter contradicting that is likely a minority opinion.

But I might be totally wrong and maybe a Tianmen square style protest is brewing and there is mass discontent and people are seeing the asset where average 70% of their wealth is stored is tanking due to poor regulation and mismanagement. I have a feeling people are much more upset about what's going on in the property market and frozen bank withdrawals than covid 0 policy.

Sorry I can't be more help even being boots on the ground. I'm not very smart and only an expert in getting kids to pass a fairly predictable standardized economics exam. Maybe try the polymatter or china insights youtube channels. I don't feel super safe. Thailand fall 2023 possibly, I do still want to honor the contract I signed and I don't think I'll be dealing with an angry mob at my door just yet.
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07-29-2022 , 02:00 PM
Lol China
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07-29-2022 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GuyThatGoesToDaGym
Coming back here has made me realize I've changed a lot in two years, predominantly because I'm more terse. This could have been 4+ pages before, but this is all I have for you now:

My main conclusion is that I don't know jack **** about this situation. I realize now that the Chinese people I am close with are subject to EXTREME selection bias; generally anyone willing to be close with a foreigner is going to be more likely to be female, young, and progressive. From my biased perspective, every Chinese person hates the CCP and believes that we should abandon zero covid tomorrow and "live with the virus" as the rest of the world does. But if you go on weibo (Chinese twitter) or douyin where a more representative sample exists, foreigners are entirely responsible for covid and this omicron thing is propaganda and this virus is super deadly and you're going to die if you get it and we need to adopt hitler style nationalism including deportation and extermination of all people who are not of the Chinese race and nationality (no I am not exaggerating, literally praising hitler). But then I'll run into other people who have never interacted with another foreigner because they've never run into another one who spoke Chinese and they express strong anti-government views and see lots of protests over lockdowns and housing developers defrauding investors and bank stuff....

My gut tells me that Farmer Zhou out in the countryside is the dominant opinion and is probably toward the extreme hypernationalism/covid fear "must maintain covid 0 and lockdowns indefinitely to protect the superior Chinese race from foreign devils" and whatever I encounter contradicting that is likely a minority opinion.

But I might be totally wrong and maybe a Tianmen square style protest is brewing and there is mass discontent and people are seeing the asset where average 70% of their wealth is stored is tanking due to poor regulation and mismanagement. I have a feeling people are much more upset about what's going on in the property market and frozen bank withdrawals than covid 0 policy.

Sorry I can't be more help even being boots on the ground. I'm not very smart and only an expert in getting kids to pass a fairly predictable standardized economics exam. Maybe try the polymatter or china insights youtube channels. I don't feel super safe. Thailand fall 2023 possibly, I do still want to honor the contract I signed and I don't think I'll be dealing with an angry mob at my door just yet.
Thanks. I'd have read 4 pages, but that was still pretty good. One thing I was curious about is the vaccine choices there. It seems like they are really stuck on their domestically developed vaccines. I feel like if they had embraced the better mRNA vaccines that we've got over here, they would be in much better shape.
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07-29-2022 , 11:59 PM
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Thanks. I'd have read 4 pages, but that was still pretty good. One thing I was curious about is the vaccine choices there. It seems like they are really stuck on their domestically developed vaccines. I feel like if they had embraced the better mRNA vaccines that we've got over here, they would be in much better shape.
Yes. They are very prideful and competitive crybullies who so desperately want to prove the superiority of their system/people/race and will shout it from the mountaintops even when it's demonstrably untrue.

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Lol China
Agreed, can't defend this place at all anymore. But I need the $ and my salary is about 1.6-2.1 times what I could make at the best schools in Thailand. I have some family that may be moving to Thailand as well, so ostensibly the plan is to stick it out here and build up my portfolio for however much longer I can stand it and then go somewhere else.
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07-30-2022 , 12:04 AM
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Yes. They are very prideful and competitive crybullies who so desperately want to prove the superiority of their system/people/race and will shout it from the mountaintops even when it's demonstrably untrue.



Agreed, can't defend this place at all anymore. But I need the $ and my salary is about 1.6-2.1 times what I could make at the best schools in Thailand. I have some family that may be moving to Thailand as well, so ostensibly the plan is to stick it out here and build up my portfolio for however much longer I can stand it and then go somewhere else.
Have you looked into jobs where you work at schools in Asia that teach expat kids. My understanding is that these jobs are highly competitive but have excellent pay and benefits. Very likely more than you could make in China or Thailand (teaching at schools for locals). Or even in USA #1.
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07-30-2022 , 01:10 AM
I dont know your domestic situation, so this whole line of thought may be an exercise in futility. But my sources have good things to say about pretty women (mostly X/X, but certainly not always) with big boobs and flat asses.
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07-30-2022 , 04:09 AM
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Have you looked into jobs where you work at schools in Asia that teach expat kids. My understanding is that these jobs are highly competitive but have excellent pay and benefits. Very likely more than you could make in China or Thailand (teaching at schools for locals). Or even in USA #1.
This was my first two jobs (they accepted both Chinese passport holders and children of expats, there was a 60/40 mix of both). The pay differential became negative in mainland China after the Japanese and Koreans fled before covid due to changes in tax laws. Now the schools that have entirely Chinese students are paying a little bit more (not always, just on average), and way less bullshit meetings and makework redundant paperwork/silliness.

I have a master's in my subject, 9 years of teaching experience overall with 7 in China, about 25 Cambridge/Oxford/G5/Ivy students attached to my recommendation, and very soon a master's in education. So I'm near the top of the heap and can work anywhere I want to in China. Things in Thailand are considerably more cliquey and competitive; most of the schools are british owned with very heavy favoritism toward people from Commonwealth countries. I have only ever taught the UK curriculum and my education master's is from a UK university (distance learning, obv) which might help, but it won't be as simple as "pick a school and declare that you're willing to work there for X salary and they gladly hire you" like it is in China.

The schools I'm looking at in Thailand are British owned and Chinese owned. Obviously I'm favoring the Thai schools that mostly have Chinese kids/rich Thais who want to learn both Chinese and English. They teach UK curriculum in these Chinese schools and obviously somebody who has a lot of familiarty with Chinese language and UK curriculum is going to be very competitive there. The analogous schools in Thailand that only have Thai kids are not on my radar at all...those pay nothing.

I have 0 reason to be in USA. My immediate family has all left the country or leaving soon. EVen if I had family there i would never ever ever ever want to live there again.

ughh I hate to even reveal this personal detail, but my mom is retiring in Thailand in februrary and pressuring me to move there OKAY ARE YOU HAPPY NOW??

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07-30-2022 , 07:01 AM
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Lol China
this
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07-30-2022 , 08:19 AM
I kind of feel like China's that player in civilization 5 who gets isolated on their own continent and just snowballs his economy while everyone else fights it out, then is just able to steam roll the map and win with all victory conditions on the same turn.
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07-30-2022 , 08:32 AM
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I have 0 reason to be in USA. My immediate family has all left the country or leaving soon. EVen if I had family there i would never ever ever ever want to live there again.
Because of your continued distaste for the cishet matriarchy, or that plus other stuff?

I bet Renton could give you the lay of the land in Thailand when you're ready to roll out.
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