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06-11-2024 , 03:09 PM
You look jacked AF.
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06-11-2024 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GuyThatGoesToDaGym
New tentative training plan I hope I can not FPS it up and start doing dumb ****. Obviously this is subject to whatever equipment limitations I end up with when I move to the new gym.

Push
DB incline or flat: 0-3 RIR
Machine press of choice: 0-3 RIR
machine fly of choice: 3 sets failure
DB prone raises: 4 sets failure
Pushdowns: 3-4 sets myo rep matching
curls touch up not heavy

Pull
Pullups: 3-4 sets to failure
Pulldowns (ideally unilateral): 3 sets to failure
underhand barbell rows: 3 sets 1-3 rir
EZ curl: 3-4 sets myo rep matching


Legs 1
Hamstring curl: 3 sets failure
Hip thrust: 3 sets 1-3 RIR
Leg press: 3 sets of 15-30 with 4-10 RIR (obviously a set of 20 with 10 RIR is grueling compared to a set of 10 with 10 RIR)
optional leg extensions

Legs 2
Hamstring curl 3 sets failure
Paused toes elevated SLDL: 3 sets 3-6 RIR because of technical limitations. Closer to failure you go the less you get the target muscle groups
FFESS: sets across due to technicality/extreme cardio demands, final set should be around an 8/10 RPE
Optional leg extensions

Push/Pull/Legs/repeat Monday through Friday so that means every week one muscle group gets trained only once and the other two twice. I will rotate flat and incline on the push day but I think these are pretty much always my best pull exercises and I shouldn't get away from them ever really.

Cardio: 25-30 minutes 5x/wk shooting for 140-160 HR. This should be hard glycolitc cardio to have work capacity for training, not really fat loss cardio. After meal 1 on Saturday/Sunday and then after 3 of my 5 training days/wk, usually will be after Push or Pull days.

PEDS: Testosterone sustanon, trenbolone enanthate, trestolone acetate. Total right around 1000mg pinning with insulin needles daily 7x/wk first thing AM. 5ius of jintropin gh before bed every night, 10/10 humalog pre and post but this might go up if food goes up (probably not for a while) I think the strongest combo of anabolic steroids is testosterone, nandrolone, trenbolone, and then one or two of either dianabol, anadrol, and superdrol. EQ seems really common in there too and I think I posted the milos sarcev protocol for the 185lbs 5'7 or 5'8 on stage classic physique guy going for his pro card. It was an offseason protocol. If I didn't, here it is: 1g test, 600 deca, 600 eq, 400 tren enanathate all weekly, 100mg anadrol daily, 20/20 humalog pre and post, 6ius of growth hormone daily. I can't tolerate nandrolone side effects; limp dick and anhedonia. So I'm trying out Trestolone as an alternative, which is a more estrogenic 19-nor derivative with more bloat and estrogen than deca but allegedly none of the sexual or depressive side effects.
Anicllaries: arimidex, metformin, telmisartan. I have pramipexole on hand but my tren dose is probably too low to require it.

I'm gonna start this on Monday in 6 days. Right now I will mostly be ****** around and not training super hard as I need some rest and recovery right now.

I might experiment with putting high days on leg days and upping carbs to around 900g but I'm not sure. Might not be able to find the time to get all that food in depending on work schedule. Bloat can also become an issue. I'll figure it out.

Praying next gym has a hip thrust machine or a smith machine that isn't perpetually zerged out because I dread the idea of having to set up for barbell hip thrust. I think a new hip thrust machine is only around 2000-3000 RMB though. I would't mind doing double SLDLs though; I figured out how to really feel it in glutes after a while.

this seems like less volume than your usual training protocols - am I wrong or is this intentional?

also, on push day, you obviously feel that you get enough exertion from the bench and machine press exercises to build mass in your shoulders, hence 'only' having prone raises as a shoulder specific lift? I'm working through this myself - for my entire life (or the times when I've been in gym bro mode and not just doing maintenance lifting while playing a sport or doing a lot of cardio) I've separated 'chest' and 'shoulders' onto separate days which has meant I've had a heavy shoulder press of some kind, but in the past month I've moved to push, pull, legs and have been struggling to lift any kind of weight by the time I get to my seated Press
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06-11-2024 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
this seems like less volume than your usual training protocols - am I wrong or is this intentional?

also, on push day, you obviously feel that you get enough exertion from the bench and machine press exercises to build mass in your shoulders, hence 'only' having prone raises as a shoulder specific lift? I'm working through this myself - for my entire life (or the times when I've been in gym bro mode and not just doing maintenance lifting while playing a sport or doing a lot of cardio) I've separated 'chest' and 'shoulders' onto separate days which has meant I've had a heavy shoulder press of some kind, but in the past month I've moved to push, pull, legs and have been struggling to lift any kind of weight by the time I get to my seated Press
"Weekly" volume total (it's actually every 8 days instead of every 7 but who cares?)

Chest: 18 sets
Back: 18-20 sets
Shoulders: 8 sets
Biceps: About 25 (the myo rep matches are equivalent to around 10 sets)
Triceps: About 18-20 sets

Quads and hams are hard to count because obviously some things activate both but

Quads: 6-12 depending on if I do the leg extensions. In offseason probably almost always.
Hamstrings: 15
Glutes: 12

Calves: 0 baby, we walkin 12k steps on normal work days

These are all on the high end of Mike Isratel recommendations. Average intensity lower than a Dorian/Jordan Peters HIT routine, higher than an FST-7 Hany Rambod style routine.

Overhead pressing is pretty much worthless and redunant for aesthetics. Dr. Mike has a long video going over this. Delts are already a fairly dominant body part for me and i have trouble with over-recruiting them on pulling motions like rows and pullups. I could probably drop even my minimal delt isolation and be fine at this point.

Full shoulder days are mostly pointless. I can maybe see an argument for it if somebody needs more pushing volume in general but has some sort of limitation on the amount of horizontal or inclien pressing they're able to handle due to connective tissue or injury reasons; beyond that nobody should bother. I personally found the best side delt recruitment from 30-45 degree BARBELL incline. DB wasn't quite as good for delts and tris but much better for chest. I might re-include bb incline at some point as my internal rotation has improved a lot lately.

If I wanted to focus on delts, I'd do a delt+arm day and just hit more raise variations. Pec dec reverse flies and cable laterals are both great.

Something like Delts+Arms/Legs/Back+Chest/Off/Repeat would be good. 3 on 1 off is hard with my work schedule and desire for some social life on weekends. But I'm sure there's plenty of ways you could set this up such that back+chest doesn't immediately follow an arm day. Arms following a back and chest day would probably be fine most of the time.
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06-12-2024 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GuyThatGoesToDaGym
"Weekly" volume total (it's actually every 8 days instead of every 7 but who cares?)

Chest: 18 sets
Back: 18-20 sets
Shoulders: 8 sets
Biceps: About 25 (the myo rep matches are equivalent to around 10 sets)
Triceps: About 18-20 sets

Quads and hams are hard to count because obviously some things activate both but

Quads: 6-12 depending on if I do the leg extensions. In offseason probably almost always.
Hamstrings: 15
Glutes: 12

Calves: 0 baby, we walkin 12k steps on normal work days

These are all on the high end of Mike Isratel recommendations. Average intensity lower than a Dorian/Jordan Peters HIT routine, higher than an FST-7 Hany Rambod style routine.

Overhead pressing is pretty much worthless and redunant for aesthetics. Dr. Mike has a long video going over this. Delts are already a fairly dominant body part for me and i have trouble with over-recruiting them on pulling motions like rows and pullups. I could probably drop even my minimal delt isolation and be fine at this point.

Full shoulder days are mostly pointless. I can maybe see an argument for it if somebody needs more pushing volume in general but has some sort of limitation on the amount of horizontal or inclien pressing they're able to handle due to connective tissue or injury reasons; beyond that nobody should bother. I personally found the best side delt recruitment from 30-45 degree BARBELL incline. DB wasn't quite as good for delts and tris but much better for chest. I might re-include bb incline at some point as my internal rotation has improved a lot lately.

If I wanted to focus on delts, I'd do a delt+arm day and just hit more raise variations. Pec dec reverse flies and cable laterals are both great.

Something like Delts+Arms/Legs/Back+Chest/Off/Repeat would be good. 3 on 1 off is hard with my work schedule and desire for some social life on weekends. But I'm sure there's plenty of ways you could set this up such that back+chest doesn't immediately follow an arm day. Arms following a back and chest day would probably be fine most of the time.

volume makes sense if over a week - I was looking at the pull day and thinking it wasn't as much as I'd assumed. But moving to 2 a week makes it actually quite a lot

re shoulders, that's interesting stuff. I was historically Chest & Arms and then Back & Shoulders as a split and so always had more freshness for shoulder pressing which 'felt' better because I was always training with lower reps and a focus on getting stronger/lifting heavier rather than building muscle. And pressing has always been my weakness from a strength perspective.

I've read and believe your pov on Shoulder Pressing. I've moved away from standing barbell press but am still seated DB pressing as I've yet to find another movement I like. I'm not a huge fan of lat or front raises from a feel perspective but am interested to try the prone ones you're doing.

bb incline for me is no bueno, I have some ac joint instability and I get shooting pains. db incline way better for me.

either way, I appreciate the detail you put into your posts and I'm learning a lot from it and trialling/adapting my own training given I'm more focused on my physique than I have been in the past, basically ever
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06-12-2024 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
volume makes sense if over a week - I was looking at the pull day and thinking it wasn't as much as I'd assumed. But moving to 2 a week makes it actually quite a lot

re shoulders, that's interesting stuff. I was historically Chest & Arms and then Back & Shoulders as a split and so always had more freshness for shoulder pressing which 'felt' better because I was always training with lower reps and a focus on getting stronger/lifting heavier rather than building muscle. And pressing has always been my weakness from a strength perspective.

I've read and believe your pov on Shoulder Pressing. I've moved away from standing barbell press but am still seated DB pressing as I've yet to find another movement I like. I'm not a huge fan of lat or front raises from a feel perspective but am interested to try the prone ones you're doing.

bb incline for me is no bueno, I have some ac joint instability and I get shooting pains. db incline way better for me.

either way, I appreciate the detail you put into your posts and I'm learning a lot from it and trialling/adapting my own training given I'm more focused on my physique than I have been in the past, basically ever
This is the GOAT lateral raise. I don't do it anymore due to cable machine being the hatchery of zerglings and I need to keep my session lengths under control.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f_OGBg2KxgY

I like to stagger my feet with one foot in front and one foot in back and have the cable running between my legs. Cable behind you is also good.
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06-12-2024 , 10:36 PM


Here's the positioning I'm talking about with "between the legs"
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06-12-2024 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GuyThatGoesToDaGym
This is the GOAT lateral raise. I don't do it anymore due to cable machine being the hatchery of zerglings and I need to keep my session lengths under control.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f_OGBg2KxgY

I like to stagger my feet with one foot in front and one foot in back and have the cable running between my legs. Cable behind you is also good.
interesting, thanks. I also avoid cable machines for similar reasons but will find a time to try that
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Yesterday , 07:20 PM
I have the good fortune of having access to one of those cable stacks and basically always do those Nippard lateral raises (and or Y raises/behind the back raises). I like them a lot more than DBs for whatever reason but if I didn't have access to cables, those prone raises are a very good option as well.

Another good option if you don't have cables is leaning against a wall doing unilateral DB raises, so that way you're getting some resistance at the bottom portion of the lift where the muscle is most lengthened.
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Today , 02:26 AM
Push
DB prone raises: 4 sets failure
incline db: 35kgx13, 30kgx15, 12
machine press: 40kgx13, 9, 9
cable crossovers: 3 sets failure
pushdowns: 25kgx21, 3 more sets myo rep match
curls in between

20 minutes cardio incline treadmill 140hr
want to gradually work up to 30min 145hr every non leg day + at least one of the weekends.
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Today , 03:07 AM
The rebound appetite/sleepiness has been much more intense this time compared with previous times, perhaps because of being on low calories for so long cumulatively even with that break in the winter. I've kept the diet super clean and the only off plan meal I had was a chicken breast+mozarrella+peanut sauce sandwhich and some buffalo wings. I also had a pita bread pizza in my air fryer with low fat cheese, pizza sauce from a bottle, and 2 pita breads with 40c/9p. I definitely want to have some massive cheat meal at a buffet but right now my body is probably very prone to storing bodyfat so let's avoid that for now until I've gotten through the rough patch in terms of hunger hormones and stim withdrawal and work my baseline metabolism back up for another 2 weeks or so.

BW was a whopping 97kg this morning but some of this bodyweight gain is from the addition of trestolone (ment) which tends to put a lot of scale weight on people the same way anadrol or dbol does. With a "dry" stack I'd probably be around 93kg morning weight now. Can still see abs through my shirt.

I can't keep doing this when I start the new job. I'm just going to do 16 week bulks followed by 4-8 week minicuts with clen until I'm around ~24 weeks out from Nov 2025 nationals. I'll probably sack up and hire somebody like Chris Tuttle for just the contest prep to have a 2nd set of eyes and to avoid overthinking the process.
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Today , 03:24 AM
The place I've been living the past 3 years is an absolute pile of crap and has very little space. Assuming my next place is more spacious (it appears to be based on pictures but we'll see) I need to get a posing set-up built. An overhead light is around 300RMB tops and then a black curtain background is less than 100RMB. My phone camera is already fine enough and I already have a tripod. If I can do it cheaply I might do some funhouse mirror stuff as well, but at least a front mirror. Just having a consistent professional looking posing setup with good lighting and a consistent background coupled with actually taking check-in photos every week even during the offseason (which also helps getting in practice posing) seems like a really critical part of bodybuilding that I've up until now ignored. I didn't even take check-in photos every single week from the same spot during this dieting phase. I did do pictures every week, but not with consistent pump, time, nutrition, and lighting. This is a big leak I can't allow during contest prep, and probably shouldn't even allow it during offseason. I'm going to try to set a time on at least one morning a week where that's just part of the routine; wake up, hydrate, meal 1, posing+checkin pics, go do my cardio, then come home and continue the rest of my day.

https://www.instagram.com/_jtphysiqu...g_challenged=1

You'll notice this guy did his checkin pics from a similar kind of setup and has most of his clients do the same. He's retired from competing already despite being like 34. He has a very similar physique to mine in terms of bone structure. He made the Olympia in 2022 I think and then gave up to focus on coaching career+kids. He still looks absolutely great and I hope to look as good as he does in retirement at my national show in 2025/2026.
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Today , 08:32 AM
Pull
Pullups: bwx16,13,9, 7 gym bw was around 100
unilateral pulldowns: 2ppsx16, 13, 10
Underhand rows: 60kgx16, 12, 10
EZ curls: 20kgx31, 2 more sets myo rep match

skipped cardio b/c I needed to get a haircut and to pick up my packages before the office closes.


One thing I hadn't considered before is that I could train legs and pull 2x/wk and push only 1x/wk. My delts, triceps, and chest are relatively strong parts and my chest training seems to occasionally provoke bicep tendon pain and right now I really need to bring up glutes, hams, and lats. The hardcore signalling bros would say "deadlifts, bro. Great for pchain". But for my anatomy deadlifts are purely an erectors and abs exercise, I don't feel anything in my glutes or hams. Lats yes but not a very fatigue efficient way of training them.
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