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05-29-2024 , 08:06 PM
it's really interesting to me to see how much carbs you eat. I've always assumed that limiting carbs and getting my calories from 'good' fats like nuts, avocado, seeds is the way for me to get leaner and stay that way and tbh, it's always seemed to work...or I felt like it was, but maybe that's just the easiest way for me to consumer less cals than I'm burning?

I know for a fact that you know way way more than me about building muscle and stripping fat, so I'm beginning to think that perhaps I need to go into a hole and reassess my nutrition approach, now that the easy fat losses/body comp gains have been achieved.

I'm curious how much it would change for me as 52yo natty who mainly eats conventional 3x a day vs much younger non natty eating 5x per.
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05-29-2024 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
it's really interesting to me to see how much carbs you eat. I've always assumed that limiting carbs and getting my calories from 'good' fats like nuts, avocado, seeds is the way for me to get leaner and stay that way and tbh, it's always seemed to work...or I felt like it was, but maybe that's just the easiest way for me to consumer less cals than I'm burning?

I know for a fact that you know way way more than me about building muscle and stripping fat, so I'm beginning to think that perhaps I need to go into a hole and reassess my nutrition approach, now that the easy fat losses/body comp gains have been achieved.

I'm curious how much it would change for me as 52yo natty who mainly eats conventional 3x a day vs much younger non natty eating 5x per.
If you want to train hard and fuel performance, you need carbohydrates.


If you are obese and need to lose fat but don't necessarily need to perform at a high level, keto is great. For bodybuilders and strength athletes who need to maintain performance to preserve tissue, carbs are a must. When you are already high bodyfat you don't really lose much performance limiting carbohydrates, but once you reach a certain level of leanness (you may not be there yet), reducing carbohydrates just gets you flat, weak, and stringy.

Keto is probably a better approach if overall health rather than performance and aesthetics is the goal.

The carbs you eat matter a lot; if I were spamming white rice and cream of rice like a lot of the more 'tarded bodybuilders do even while cutting, I'd be feeling horrible. But 300g of carbs from oatmeal, potato/sweet potato, blueberries, raspberries, bananas, and green apples is just tremendously satiating. Even more so than 80/20 ground beef, salmon, steak, bacon, cheeses etc.

Rice products are fine for bulking.
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05-29-2024 , 09:27 PM


Both of these guys are around your age. Don't let yourself think age is holding you back from anything but turbo-elite levels of fitness.
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Yesterday , 02:30 AM
I've managed to consume enough berries to give me viscous stomach aches on more than one occasion. I would not call them satiating in the least.

I had to stop going to market and spending >$10 on berries lest this happen again and ruin my day.

I don't think there is anything wrong with thinking about random people from the internet years later. I have a mutual friend with kpc and we occasionally wonder if he's alive, what he's doing, etc. So of the other guy's I worked with are occasionally discussed as well. (Some guy named Paul B who wanted to buy 20 CRXs and also used a solver to play online chest.) Always nice to reminisce. Is MLY still doing spreadsheets to show how it is impossible to attain a healthy weight? Does loco hate mayo? Does he spaz at azn fusion places with siracha or wasabi mayo? Will we get another ABP x Loco tale? OTOH if you find yourself dwelling on some internet argument from years ago. Prob stop. Like El D and I will occasionally talk about me getting utterly rekt in the ribeye/filet debate of yore. But this is a fond memory and something we talk about because its funny. (Ironic as well since I did and still do eat a much higher amount of ribeye than he does relative to overall steak consumption.)

tldr: Thinking about stuff ain't bad. Dwelling on weird **** is bad.
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Yesterday , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by GuyThatGoesToDaGym


Both of these guys are around your age. Don't let yourself think age is holding you back from anything but turbo-elite levels of fitness.

thank you for this. Will listen to it on my next walk
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Yesterday , 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by NotThremp
I've managed to consume enough berries to give me viscous stomach aches on more than one occasion. I would not call them satiating in the least.

I had to stop going to market and spending >$10 on berries lest this happen again and ruin my day.

I don't think there is anything wrong with thinking about random people from the internet years later. I have a mutual friend with kpc and we occasionally wonder if he's alive, what he's doing, etc. So of the other guy's I worked with are occasionally discussed as well. (Some guy named Paul B who wanted to buy 20 CRXs and also used a solver to play online chest.) Always nice to reminisce. Is MLY still doing spreadsheets to show how it is impossible to attain a healthy weight? Does loco hate mayo? Does he spaz at azn fusion places with siracha or wasabi mayo? Will we get another ABP x Loco tale? OTOH if you find yourself dwelling on some internet argument from years ago. Prob stop. Like El D and I will occasionally talk about me getting utterly rekt in the ribeye/filet debate of yore. But this is a fond memory and something we talk about because its funny. (Ironic as well since I did and still do eat a much higher amount of ribeye than he does relative to overall steak consumption.)

tldr: Thinking about stuff ain't bad. Dwelling on weird **** is bad.

I almost dread posting this as I've managed to keep this iteration of my log uncontroversial and bodybuilding focused, but here it goes. If a reader is prone to taking offense, do not open. Fainting couch ready:

Spoiler:
I remember the MLYLT simps attacking me (not knowing my own story) about how MLYLT's trauma was so unique and how DARE I suggest something like dietary interventions, abstaining from alcohol, sleeping according to circadian rythmn, stepcount, maybe considering religiosity, healthy and sustainable exercise habits, and looksmaxxing to gain social status could POSSIBLY be better solution than what she'd been doing for her mental health for years prior (circular ad nauseam talk therapy and psychiatric medication). In their perception, this was a gross dismissal of how severe and complex her trauma was (which naturally she adopted as a major part of her identity). I can't remember any of their screen names, but the irony of it will stick with me for a long time. I was more amused than rattled. By then I was recovered enough to not feel the need to inform them that I knew exactly what she was going through from first hand experience.

I'm glad that some more mainstream commentators are starting to acknowledge not only that a lot of therapy is complete bullshit, but can actually make people sicker. Mental health professionals have even less incentive to cure you than regular doctors, who frankly get a lot of undeserved flak (even from me). And if you are actually high functioning and not creating a lot of headache for a therapist during sessions, and thus are more capable of rehabilitation, they have even more incentive to keep you coming back to continue billing you. Thank god I had one very motivated professional who essentially told me "lmao you have a master's degree and have held multiple jobs for years, most of my patients can barely get out of bed or stop themselves from taking drugs or becoming homeless. I gotta put em on meds so they don't endanger themselves or people around them. You ain't sick. gtfo of my office and tell your mom you're ****ing off to china she doens't know **** she's a post menopausal ******ed normie" Most of them did not take this approach...

Saying "herp derp go to therapy" used to be this panacea that was doled out for whatever ails you. But then it was simultaneously used by the same people suggesting it as a cure as some sort of pejorative insult. Quite the contradiction... Slowly people are realizing that maybe therapist are not witch-doctor gods who can fix anything. A lot of them are pretty ****ed themselves and not exactly aspirational figures.

The very uncomfortable black pilling truth is that the way you feel about yourself is very frequently a reflection of how others feel about you and how they treat you. And how others feel about you is often the result of simple and shallow cognitive heuristics based on your external appearance and presentation. The very white-pilling and hopeful part of this is that you have a shockingly high efficacy over this. Low social status is not a mental illness and has a fairly easy cure of "look better" and there's tons of low hanging fruit you can pick on this front, particularly if you are an obese white female where cutting down the number of midnight trips to wendys is all you need to drop like 20lbs.

There was some other guy on here who's name I forgot who was into this whole therapy is the answer to all life's problems crap. worked at a bakery or smth I can't remember the name or much other details. Would post from a position of very high authority despite the fact that these methods of mental health rehabilitation had done little to meaningfully improve his situation.
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Yesterday , 06:40 AM
There is certainly a segment of therapist that seems to think talk therapy is both necessary and forever, which is worrisome. Honestly if I was gonna be a therapist I'd specialize in childhood trauma esp parental death. And then just have the same conversation every week about how Mommy isn't on vacation for the next 10y. I just need to keep some basic notes and rinse and repeat, then cash them checks. Which is apparently what a reasonable amount of therapists do with people who are just overwhelming lazy.

IMO one of the biggest stumbling blocks for many people in the continual talk therapy loop (much like people on the forever nutrition coaching) is they never stop to consider why they feel this way or have crazy thoughts that consume them. I still have crazy thoughts all the time, but instead of dwelling on them, I just let them go and think about something else. I guess this falls under the broader heading of mindfulness. There was a pretty funny crazy person on 90 Day Fiance who kept talking about the "nothing box" where you just sit and have no thoughts. And while he was insane and his PUA class was batshit, the "nothing box" is essentially the same as meditation or similar activities (fishing is frequently recommended for people who struggle with sitting and doing nothing), where you just kinda do something that requires little to no concentration and not think about weird ****, just let the thoughts float away like leaves in the stream. Some of my friends who have been to therapy have found this to be their biggest problem and simultaneously the thing that therapy helps the least with.

On MLY, she was certainly not nearly as crazy as she claimed. The whole knife in the car by the highway thing was, while disturbing, something I don't even consider real in the faintest stretch of the imagination. She also was notorious for not taking her meds and in her circumstance she'd likely benefit greatly from some chemical enhancement. But her problems were purely based on a worldview where she was continually victimized for being a woman in all walks of life despite showing no signs of competence or even a modicum of common sense. I dunno if epic self-delusion is something happy pills can fix, but obviously if she did some basic stuff for mental health she'd be much better off. Ironically this isn't far off from if you or I were shot and MLY were shot. We would both stand a much better chance of survival since we're in "good" physical health, whereas she is in poor physical health. The pills and everything can help, but at the end of the day you gotta lift the big rocks on your own which is mostly basic stuff about being an adult. But if you think some weird pill is gonna help you get out of bed and take a shower, it likely will help (placebo works!) and maybe that is enough to break the cycle. Hard to say with any certainty given our knowledge of brain chemistry is aidsy at best, and mental health treatment is p lol.

NB: lol not spoilering. Anyone who gets rustled did this to themselves.
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Yesterday , 01:33 PM
Just droppin' by again to say I am currently vetting a therapist. Talking will def be some part of it.

I do have to say about a year ago I did 5 sessions of EMDR (some sessions were just talking, though) and got big gainz from it.

Kind of wish I had continued, though, ever since pandemic my mental health has gone from good to not great to awful to still below fine. Oh well, everyone says kids eventually get older but I'm not sure that solves all the stupid psychological F*kkery I've done to myself over the last 4 years.
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Yesterday , 01:34 PM
Oh, I also am going to try out the RP diet app and lifting app for a month and then either:

a) decide it's too expensive and "I can do it on my own"

b) decide I'm rich AF and just keep using them

c) decide I need some other thing to change my life for the better
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Yesterday , 07:42 PM
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Oh, I also am going to try out the RP diet app and lifting app for a month and then either:

a) decide it's too expensive and "I can do it on my own"

b) decide I'm rich AF and just keep using them

c) decide I need some other thing to change my life for the better
can you log it in here with results etc? I'd be interested to see what it looks like
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Yesterday , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by The Yugoslavian
Just droppin' by again to say I am currently vetting a therapist. Talking will def be some part of it.

I do have to say about a year ago I did 5 sessions of EMDR (some sessions were just talking, though) and got big gainz from it.

Kind of wish I had continued, though, ever since pandemic my mental health has gone from good to not great to awful to still below fine. Oh well, everyone says kids eventually get older but I'm not sure that solves all the stupid psychological F*kkery I've done to myself over the last 4 years.
I guess in case it wasn't clear in my post, I'm not saying its universally useless. It's just that they often ignore important lifestyle interventions and there's plenty of cases where it's not the suitable treatment at all and the problem is way more obvious but perhaps uncomfortable and challenges popular idealistic notions of human nature.

I'm glad it's working well for you.

I took yesterday off. The day before with 26k steps AND a leg workout was just too much and i couldn't sleep afterword and had no energy the next day. Weight still dropped a bit more despite only getting around 9k steps and no workout. I even added in some extra cals from mango+watermelon at the end of the day.
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Today , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by GuyThatGoesToDaGym
I guess in case it wasn't clear in my post, I'm not saying its universally useless. It's just that they often ignore important lifestyle interventions and there's plenty of cases where it's not the suitable treatment at all and the problem is way more obvious but perhaps uncomfortable and challenges popular idealistic notions of human nature.

I'm glad it's working well for you.
Yeah. Tbh I don't think you needed to spoiler your thoughts - they seemed like maybe a slightly harsh version of fairly reasonable thoughts.

It seems very clear to me that for therapy to be more than that one time a week you try to be introspective, you need to find a therapist who is either:

a) extremely good - these people may not even take insurance tbh
b) extremely good fit for you

There is something to be said for simply having some accountability. I mean, the benefit of most personal trainers is either.

a) there is no benefit (lolol)
b) accountability and you have "skin" (money) in the game.
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Today , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
can you log it in here with results etc? I'd be interested to see what it looks like
Hmm, maybe I should. I didn't actually sign up for the app. It really seems expensive to me and there is no free trial afaict - you can just try to get your $ back within 30 days.

Instead I found a copy of RP's simple template and will try that. It's hard for me to believe the app does anything much different except automate things.

I also did not get their diet tracker and instead got one that seems like it has a much better interface and is less expensive (macrofactor iirc).

Anyway, we'll see - maybe if I get sick of spreadsheets I'll just get the hypertrophy app anyway.
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