i forgot how to internet, can u help me member

i went on reddit the other day is that a thing or no

i once benched 275 5x5 no assist I need hernia surgery

Evo,

yeah I'd say less than 10% but I go to pretty weaksauce gyms and only got 1yr under my belt. What would you say the equivalent SQ/DL/OHP is to 250x5 BN?

I was a bench and curl bro on and off for a number of years getting nowhere near this mark until I joined this forum and started SS and basically learned how to work out properly.

From my years of going to 24 hour fitness gyms, I have come to the conclusion that very few gym goers, even very dedicated ones, ever learn how to train themselves to lift heavy weight.

That being said, unless you know what to look for as far as man meat goes, it is actually hard to tell who can lift heavy weight and who isn't (for normal sized bros at least). 2 guys can look pretty similar in a t-shirt and one of them might bench 275x3 and the other 185x3 and have equivalent strength discrepancies on most other lifts too.

Im assuming the correct answer is likely around 3.5/10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABBfl48Y7dw

375/425/175 would be my guess.

But a lot of people who can do those lifts will never be able to bench close to 250x5. Bench is a weird lift where a lot of people have problems getting strong at it, even if they can build strength in many other lifts. For whatever reason, horizontal pressing strength eludes them.

Generally these folks just don't do a lot of other upper body lifting. You can train bench all you want, but if you don't have some good general upper body strength it'll go nowhere. Very different from squats/dls where you really don't need to rely much on assistance. For instance, among those training brosplit style predominantly with lots of different curls, tricep work, shoulder isolation, a bunch of different lat movements etc you will just not find many relatively weak benchers in relation to other lifts. It appears mostly a full body bro phenomenon.

But anyway, I think (blindly speculate) actually most adult males do not have it in the cards genetically to bench 250x5 tbh. Maybe if we restricted it to aged 15-30 it'd be a fairly decent majority who could though.

TC,

1/1.5/2/2.5 is a pretty standard ratio for a #200 broseph wrt 1RM, feel free to scale that to whatever you want.

Emoken,

Great topic. Glad you think lats help with having a big bench. Or maybe BBers have absurdly biased programs toward UB. No way to know.

Gonna throw the number 3% out there.

I think you're doing a lot of mental gymnastics with observation and survivorship biases to get to this opinion tbh. You don't find many weak benchers in relation to other lifts because the VAST majority of people at the gym don't do (or even have the concept of) "other lifts."

I think >50% have it in their genetics to bench 250x5. Easily. I'm not saying it's easy to get there, I'm just confident that the ceiling for most people is that or higher. Also don't forget that in addition to not having a good overall training program (in terms of balancing lower body strength), most don't even train the bench well. Or consistently.

yeah saw is right. Population of people who do split routine AND actually train sq/dl with passable form is so damn tiny you can't really say much.

Just curious, possibly not completely related: what do you define as a split routine?

I do agree that you need reasonable levels of general upper body strength and athleticism to be good at bench.

A great post I saved from reddit a while back that touches on a lot of the beginner/SS failing issues we see around here:

(from MythicalStrength, also has a good blog that I poke at very sporadically: http://mythicalstrength.blogspot.com/)

Oh yes, I certainly do!

I think everyone is at the bottom of the rankings nowadays.

Great topic Yugo.

Youre all Hero's with capes in my heart.

That really means a lot. Makes my H&F career (or the ashen remains of it) worth it.

What are you up to? Do you have that home gym and not use it or are you getting deep into a shamanic squatting comeback?

Livin the dream my man, livin the dream

Just another day in paradise, gettin in the sussudio, against all odds, cause theres definitely something in the air tonight.

Whoa, my bad I fell down a phil collinshole.

shamanic comeback on the horizon, always going deep you know how we do.

Hows the Fam?

Who all in H&F jerks? Can I see your videos?

I'm pretty sure N1H jerks it everyday. Check his log.

Don't copy his form, though; he's having shoulder issues.

Fam good. BabyYugo learned how to say "no" which I can tell is going to be a source of lasting fun for at least a few more months (hopefully not years).

Still home gymming. Just take 5 weeks off here or there after getting sick dadding so hard.

Yugo,

From what I've heard, you and your daughter will likely be playing a constant game of WW for most of her teenage years, so enjoy!

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It's good to see Yugo, jdock, and KY yapping and keyboarding on here. Unfortunately they will be second class citizens (see El diablo and land o lakes) unless we see some logged workouts.

Yugo and jdock have a valid dadbod excuse but what about KY?

legit lol

been really really really high lolmybad

getting back on the mashin on hoes train these days though

starting slow, not log worthy, but progress is being made there is hope yet for new WR's

I'm really sad Jdock is banned because I wanted his hot takes on this whole situation with August Ames. So if you're reading jd, plz create another alt just for this one