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Old 03-20-2010, 05:02 PM   #1626
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

Walnuts: p64.

The finer distinctions between recommended and allowed/optional were not part of my initial statement about my experience with the diet. In hindsight my statement of nuts being recommended must be clarified as to recommended as a food in general but to be used sparingly during the undereating phase (which I did, btw).

ETA: I'm not on the diet now and not planning to. Just to be clear.
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Old 03-20-2010, 05:03 PM   #1627
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

Reshifting the goalposts. Awesum1

Page 64 is about prepping the main meal of your overeating portion of the diet. You're either 1) terrible at reading 2) an outright liar. There is nothing about walnuts wrt undereating. rofl

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Old 03-20-2010, 05:17 PM   #1628
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Dude. Keep the volume down. Call me a liar? Are you out of your mind? I made a short statement about my experience with the diet and then you come along with some nitty remark about a detail. I miss a point about walnuts being just generally recommended or in the undereating phase and you make this a matter of life and death? Are you so desperate to be "right" about your porn remark that you need to blow this out of proportion and get stuck on a detail? Single out one thing so that the dumbness of your whole remark is hidden behind it? Do you think I can't see what you're doing there? Take your pathetic little victory and have sex with it. At least you got laid in Europe then.

Don't bother to answer. I don't care about narcissists like you.
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Old 03-20-2010, 05:21 PM   #1629
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

Projection IMO. You're idea of what the "Warrior Diet" is, is something vaguely similar to the diet, but not exactly what is written in the book. I ask you to cite material to support your viewpoint and you deliberately present information in a disingenuous manner. You're trying to take material and literally lie about what it is. We were talking about the undereating phase, nothing about overeating was mentioned at all, and you cite a page number to obfuscate the meaning.

I'm not calling you a liar, like someone says "My Dad can beat up your Dad." You are a liar.

lol More about how you did the "Warrior Diet" without really following the recommendations and just kinda... did stuff.
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Old 03-20-2010, 05:37 PM   #1630
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Iirc the protein is recommended for people who work out a lot and he's pretty much into almonds and walnuts and generally recommends them.
yeah right. I have never made a distinction between the general recommendations and the undereating phase.
I cite a certain page in the book that is clearly in the overeating chapter and refer to it as his love for nuts in general and that's supposed to imply that I'm saying it's in the undereating phase? That is just ridiculous. And playing around with supposed literal meanings of liar? Are you kidding? Willul ignorance. Great trick. Your debating "skills" are so transparent that a toddler would think of you as a fool.
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Old 03-20-2010, 05:59 PM   #1631
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

Name calling. Sick.

Clearly the mark of an educated man.
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Old 03-20-2010, 06:08 PM   #1632
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I did the IF diet called "Warrior Diet" for a pretty long time in 2008 (?) and it worked pretty well. I had a decent success wrt to body recomposition and little overall weight loss. FWIW, I ate fruits, veggies and salad and some dairy throughout the day and had one big meal in the evening.
A statement.

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I don't know if you have actually read the book by Hofmekler. I did. And it allows/recommends the intake of fruit, veggies and nuts/seeds (in the afternoon) during the day. So, congrats on your dick (yes, I actually took the time to google Mandingo. Why the F does one know names of male porn actors?!?).
Recommends is a tricky word. Especially when you try to act like you've read the book and it states what you contend.

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I admit I wasn't careful enough to make a full, complete and exhaustive list of things that are allowed throughout the day in both posts. With this out of the way, please go ahead and post the real argument you have against my representation of the warrior diet, that caused your dismissive statement about your genitalia.
Ironically, allowed and recommended don't mean the same thing.

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Iirc the protein is recommended for people who work out a lot and he's pretty much into almonds and walnuts and generally recommends them.
Generally... Another interesting and vague word. I won't even get into the former statement which is completely made up.

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Walnuts: p64.

The finer distinctions between recommended and allowed/optional were not part of my initial statement about my experience with the diet. In hindsight my statement of nuts being recommended must be clarified as to recommended as a food in general but to be used sparingly during the undereating phase (which I did, btw).

ETA: I'm not on the diet now and not planning to. Just to be clear.
So you were wrong? Its not recommended? Or recommended for people who workout?

lol Citing the overeating segment as if its indicative of anything supporting the following.

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Dude. Keep the volume down. Call me a liar? Are you out of your mind? I made a short statement about my experience with the diet and then you come along with some nitty remark about a detail. I miss a point about walnuts being just generally recommended or in the undereating phase and you make this a matter of life and death? Are you so desperate to be "right" about your porn remark that you need to blow this out of proportion and get stuck on a detail? Single out one thing so that the dumbness of your whole remark is hidden behind it? Do you think I can't see what you're doing there? Take your pathetic little victory and have sex with it. At least you got laid in Europe then.

Don't bother to answer. I don't care about narcissists like you.
While I don't try to deny loving myself, I find it funny you resort to name calling and silliness when faced with factual inconsistencies and an inability to support positions you assert (especially when you want to position yourself as someone who has read "the book" whereas I clearly have not).

lol Germany lol free speech

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yeah right. I have never made a distinction between the general recommendations and the undereating phase.
I cite a certain page in the book that is clearly in the overeating chapter and refer to it as his love for nuts in general and that's supposed to imply that I'm saying it's in the undereating phase? That is just ridiculous. And playing around with supposed literal meanings of liar? Are you kidding? Willul ignorance. Great trick. Your debating "skills" are so transparent that a toddler would think of you as a fool.
More name calling. Could someone point out where you went from talking about the undereating segment to the general recommendations of the diet? I see a ton of lolz about the undereating segment, which you vaguely follow. Then at some point you start blathering on about the general recommendations and name calling.

Saying the sky is blue is not "name calling". You may have trouble being ESL. But someone who "lies" is a "liar". Much like someone who "paints" is a "painter". Deliberately changing your argument midstream and presenting "evidence" in the most confusing manner possible would be a fine example of intellectual dishonesty.

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Old 03-20-2010, 06:19 PM   #1633
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Old 03-20-2010, 06:58 PM   #1634
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

- I admitted that I was incorrect or imprecise about the details of nuts during the day because I was referring to the book from memory and it's almost two years that I read it.

- Almonds are allowed during the day. For them being "recommended" or just "optional" during the undereating phase, see the above point.

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I won't even get into the former statement which is completely made up.
page 199: "(...), whereas post-workout recovery meals are critical."
page 201: "Recovery meals should be composed of fast-assimilating proteins, good fat, and slow-releasing carbs: serving size 25-30 grams of protein and 10-25 g of carbs. The best fast-assimilating proteins are whey and milk proteins."

The comment "for people who work out a lot" referred specifically to the protein, not the nuts/seeds.

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I find it funny you resort to name calling and silliness
Hm..:
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2) an outright liar
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I'm not calling you a liar, like someone says "My Dad can beat up your Dad." You are a liar.
Saying that one should disregard the derogatory and offensive connotation of the word because you are using it in a technical sense is purely ridiculous.

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Could someone point out where you went from talking about the undereating segment to the general recommendations of the diet?
You made this whole struggle about the difference between "recommended" and "optional" while it's pretty clear in the book that Hofmekler thinks that nuts and esp. almonds are great and a) I made it clear pretty early that I was imprecise about just that and b) therefore pointing out points in the book where he talks about the usefulness of nuts and seeds in general. And it's clearly not a misapplication of the diet to eat almonds during the day as it is regarded "optional".

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which you vaguely follow
Dude. These statements are so worthless and desperate. I made a general and blank statement about the diet and no statement of my application in detail. The specifics I gave only served the purpose that it's not an IF diet in the sense of "just drink water during the fast."
My statement was useless for any conclusion as to what degree I complied to the diet. After your pretty stupid statement about me misapplying the diet (which is even more stupid regarding that all the things I listed in my first post are clearly part of the undereating phase and my nuts/seeds mistake only happened in the post AFTER that) I wanted to clear up the misunderstandings about the use of nuts and seeds by pointing out the relevant statements in the book.
You are deliberately singling out details and blowing them out of proportion so you can maintain your point that I allegedly misapplied the diet while I have provided no base for that.
You are being intellectually dishonest by derailing the initial point of my statement and accusing me of being imprecise while the situation didn't call for absolute precision. Your first TWO replies where just poo. The pron and the consistency remark where nothing but destructive. Now trying to take the high ground and insulting me because you have successfully turned a casual remark about a diet into a struggle for precision and are now able to point out that the first statement was actually imprecise (what a revelation!) is really worth a lot. Congratulations.

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you wish.

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especially when you want to position yourself as someone who has read "the book"
I even bought the book.
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Old 03-20-2010, 06:59 PM   #1635
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Other topic: awesome knock out by Klitschko.
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Old 03-20-2010, 07:02 PM   #1636
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Yawn. Heavyweight fights are so boring. Kitchkos fight each other already. or David Haye at least. God boxing really is dreadful nowadays.
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Old 03-20-2010, 07:35 PM   #1637
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If you two want to refund the portion of my hourly for the time I wasted reading that argument you can ship on stars or FTP.

Pm me for nicks.

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Old 03-20-2010, 07:40 PM   #1638
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jesus christ thremp if you are going to be such a pedantic nit at least know the difference between your and you're.
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jesus christ thremp if you are going to be such a pedantic nit at least know the difference between your and you're.
Dun curr.
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its danke
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Old 03-20-2010, 08:30 PM   #1641
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Old 03-20-2010, 08:42 PM   #1642
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So,

anyone got an idea on the general caloric requirements to make steady progress on TM?
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Old 03-20-2010, 09:15 PM   #1643
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Thats a vague question.

A surplus?
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Hm well, I saw Rip answer that novice eating is unnecessary, which obviously makes sense. The question is, how much of a surplus? Caloric partitioning a big deal (eat lots mon, fri e.g.)? The end goal is to add strength but not too much body fat.
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Old 03-20-2010, 09:51 PM   #1645
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Despite thremp thinking it's ******ed. TM is a lot less volume than SS so on a major deficit with refeeds on mom/fri seems to work well for a few ppl on lyles board. They aren't giving exact specifics. Maintenance on m/f and 20% deficit otherwise. I'm thinking of adapting to this on Monday. Finding difficulty in setting up everything else tho. A 4 day split that psixcer does might be better. So not really tm at all. Maybe just a volume day and an intensity day. Squat twice a week everything else once.

Monday - volume - squat,
Tuesday - bench or press, weighted pulls
thurs - intensity - squat/dead
fri - bench/press, weighted pulls.

Dunno kicking around diff ideas.

PPAN style

Mon - squat/bench/chin

wed - dl/press

fri - squat/bench/chin

with less volume than 3x5 obv.

Having a hard time deciding. I think the issue is that my press is pretty much stagnant and need to change something up but still progressing linearly on bench.
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let's say we were going to do TM on a deficit and our weekly diet included one refeed, 2 days at maintenance, and 4 deficit days.

Which day would you refeed, volume or intensity? How about 2 high-calorie days on M/F and 5 deficit days?
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Why the **** would you couple a stupid ass diet idea with a program like that?

Why don't you just surround each workout with a "refeed", and eat less every other time?


ETA: I asked Jeff this. He said basically this but in a nicer way. Probably because he just got done slaying some hottie or driving in his jag or something.
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Despite thremp thinking it's ******ed. TM is a lot less volume than SS so on a major deficit with refeeds on mom/fri seems to work well for a few ppl on lyles board. They aren't giving exact specifics. Maintenance on m/f and 20% deficit otherwise. I'm thinking of adapting to this on Monday. Finding difficulty in setting up everything else tho. A 4 day split that psixcer does might be better. So not really tm at all. Maybe just a volume day and an intensity day. Squat twice a week everything else once.

Monday - volume - squat,
Tuesday - bench or press, weighted pulls
thurs - intensity - squat/dead
fri - bench/press, weighted pulls.

Dunno kicking around diff ideas.

PPAN style

Mon - squat/bench/chin

wed - dl/press

fri - squat/bench/chin

with less volume than 3x5 obv.

Having a hard time deciding. I think the issue is that my press is pretty much stagnant and need to change something up but still progressing linearly on bench.
Didn't I say almost the exact same thing, except for a "refeed" on Wed with the workout?

wtf?
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Hm well, I saw Rip answer that novice eating is unnecessary, which obviously makes sense. The question is, how much of a surplus? Caloric partitioning a big deal (eat lots mon, fri e.g.)? The end goal is to add strength but not too much body fat.
if you are worried about gaining fat then you arent gonna be able to move the boulder.

did i do that right?
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Thats a vague question.

A surplus?
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Hm well, I saw Rip answer that novice eating is unnecessary, which obviously makes sense. The question is, how much of a surplus? Caloric partitioning a big deal (eat lots mon, fri e.g.)? The end goal is to add strength but not too much body fat.
"novice eating" is also unnecessary as a novice.

you don't have to gain weight to get stronger. a surplus will prolong your stay at any stage of training, but it is not necessary to progress.
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you don't have to gain weight to get stronger. a surplus will prolong your stay at any stage of training, but it is not necessary to progress.
Repeated for emphasis. I think this is the thing that is most misunderstood in this forum.
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Old 03-21-2010, 12:48 AM   #1650
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Repeated for emphasis. I think this is the thing that is most misunderstood in this forum.

Quoted for deemphasis.

I really think Miles overgeneralizes this point based on his personal experience.
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