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Old 03-10-2010, 03:56 AM   #776
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

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I've heard they are a really good finisher, particularly at the end of SS workouts. They are also really popular with CT and the T-Nation folks who obviously know a lot about strength training because they are really big and stuff.
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Old 03-10-2010, 04:05 AM   #777
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Ridiculous irony here
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Old 03-10-2010, 06:37 AM   #778
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Rip gives Lyle a beating:

http://www.startingstrength.com/reso...1&postcount=51

lololol @ the depth in those videos. The opposite of 70's Squats.
 
Old 03-10-2010, 06:39 AM   #779
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OH NO HE DIN'T!
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Old 03-10-2010, 06:48 AM   #780
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Fake plates obv.

No seriously Lyle is going to have to at least eat some humble pie here, not because of the fact he disbelieved, that is pretty natural those are ridiculous gains. However he was basically trolling the **** out of the issue which is very unprofessional. I have never seen anyone provide more evidence for claims over the internet than this. I almost pity poor Zach for being the centre of all this bs.
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Old 03-10-2010, 07:11 AM   #781
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Sweet vids, pretty rock solid technique on Zach. Hard to believe it's the same dude as the original pic, obviously his TWIN!
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Old 03-10-2010, 07:24 AM   #782
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Fake plates obv.

No seriously Lyle is going to have to at least eat some humble pie here
lolz

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Old 03-10-2010, 08:02 AM   #783
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Old 03-10-2010, 08:13 AM   #784
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I agree that Lyle has been very trollish about some things, especially the whole squat sub-argument. Honestly he just made himself look like an ******* there. (Specifically by saying "Why haven't we seen the proof????" when nobody had even asked for it.)

On the greater topic of LBM gains, my main beef with Lyle is that he won't make any definitive claim for Rip or anyone else to refute.

He just tries to chip away at Rip's case study (which was obviously made in good faith, whether there is measurement error or not), but then when someone preses him he says "ZOMG I never denied young people can make extraordinary gains".

And he keeps saying "prove me wrong about the limits of LBM gain" without explicity stating a limit, or without stating a satisfactory method for doing so (apparently caliper tests are not good enough).



However part of me thinks that Rip kind of deserves this, for nursing a viper at his bosom so to speak. Lyle has as long history of really rudely turning against authority figures he was previously friendly with.

He did it very notable against Pendlay on Rip's forum, and Rip never said anything about it. The attack against Pendlay was quite brutal IIRC.

(BTW I'm not saying Lyle is necessarily wrong on the substance of these disputes he gets into at all, just that he seems to have some kind of guru Oedpial complex that drives him to destroy his icons with particular venom.)



You could say I read too much into this but I feel like this argument is really not about the dry topic of rate of LBM gain or methodological quibbles with Rip's case study.

It's more like a big struggle for Inet status between two gurus, the old guard learn-by-experience Texan and the cocky young "modern" thinker with a chip on his shoulder.



/clearly I have too much time on my hands.
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Old 03-10-2010, 08:18 AM   #785
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In fact, he was coming here for an interview tomorrow, which I cancelled tonight because this pisses me off, and I don’t do interviews with people that question my integrity and piss me off.
maaan that sucks
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Old 03-10-2010, 08:45 AM   #786
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maaan that sucks
But pretty understandable. It's also sort of funny since Lyle used "who's getting interviewed by Rip and others, huhuhuhuh??!?!?" as an argument against a troll in his mean forum. Obviously in semi-jest, but still.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:18 AM   #787
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Showing how great I look in jeans son
lol, I thought the original pic was a level. Dood, you need to do some squats...
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:29 AM   #788
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

Hahaha, Lyle is such a dip****. This is his response to Ripples after mr SS canceled the interview (taken from his mean forum):

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And so you know, this ****s my travel plans entirely. I had scheduled it to include this as a favor to you but your little ****** forumites got mangy and now they and you by extension have ****ed me completely. Because you can't handle it. Whatsa matter? You know your body comp and strength gain numbers are all bull**** and can't handle me asking about it or what?

So, as i think about it, your reason for this is entirely irrelevant to me. Keep believing you're getting the results you're getting but all your doing is generating ****** fatasses who think you're above cricitism. Which you're not but apparently you're believing your own ****ing hype at this point.

Go **** yourself, Mark.
Oops, too bad the strength gains were just proven. Unless he's saying the starting numbers were a lie as well.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:34 AM   #789
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

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Rip gives Lyle a beating:

http://www.startingstrength.com/reso...1&postcount=51

lololol @ the depth in those videos. The opposite of 70's Squats.
I just rippetoed in my pants.

On the 3rd set I thought his form was starting to fall apart, then the 4th and 5th looked even stronger. Looks like he's got more in him. pwnd.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:39 AM   #790
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

lulz, would lurrrrve to have seen the rip/lyle interview...

rip totally should have not posted that vid today, then he could have trolled the f*ck out of lyle in the interview and the next day given him the big "aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! JUST KIDDING!" and posted the vid.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:42 AM   #791
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

...and that's what we call showing your true colors.
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:12 AM   #792
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

Lyle decides to make it even more public by starting a thread on the SS forum: http://www.startingstrength.com/reso...674#post109674.


I'm pretty surprised it's possible to be this unprofessional.
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:16 AM   #793
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I would say this goes beyond unprofessional to the point of having psychological issues.
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Yeah I agree. I very much doubt Rip will respond at all.
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:21 AM   #795
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Re: **8*8*8 March version Two(2) ***88***8

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Fake plates obv.

No seriously Lyle is going to have to at least eat some humble pie here, not because of the fact he disbelieved, that is pretty natural those are ridiculous gains. However he was basically trolling the **** out of the issue which is very unprofessional. I have never seen anyone provide more evidence for claims over the internet than this. I almost pity poor Zach for being the centre of all this bs.
I have to agree here big time. While I thought (and still think) that the LBM gains are probably inflated, I would never question the form of a guy who is actually training under the direct supervision of Rippetoe. I know the 70sbig guys train there as well, but I don't believe they are actually training with Rip when they shoot all their vids and I'm confident he would call them out on their shallow squats if he were there.
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Lyle decides to make it even more public by starting a thread on the SS forum: http://www.startingstrength.com/reso...674#post109674.


I'm pretty surprised it's possible to be this unprofessional.
fknlol lyleaments
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:33 AM   #797
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:08 AM   #798
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lol wtf. clear next step is a battle to the death
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lol wtf. clear next step is a battle to the death
Lyle better hope this includes speed skating.
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:36 AM   #800
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I went out of my way to try to schedule coming up to Witchita Falls to do the podcast interview. When the scheduling changed, it was actually out of my way (taking me the wrong direction from where I was travelling) to come up. But I said I would do it and I was going to.

So imagine my surprise to get a pathetically worded email from you last night that 'since this is out of hand' and you 'don't feel comfortable doing an interview', I should make other traveling plans.

You've ****ed my entire trip. And why? Because sa bunch of your illiterate nutswinging forumites took something I said totally out of context and started a war with me.

And because you have clearly reached that point in the game where you are above criticism. So instead of facing whatever I had to say like a man, you punked out like a slackjawed ****** (to use a Texas phrase). Pathetic, just pathetic.

We both know that yoru claims about Zach's results are total bull****. If he gained that much muscle, that means that Starting Strenght + GOMAD is BETTER THAN ****ING STEROIDS. I mean, **** that's as bad as T-nation.

And those squat numbers? Where's the video to show that his form is anything but ****? I got lots of excuses on the support forum but we both know that what coaches say and what happens in the gym isn't the same. You put up other video so why haven't you shown Zach's awesome squat form with 345X5 or whatever it is?

I'll tell you why, b/c you know it sucks. You could prove me wrong in about 5 minutes but you won't. And you couldn't deal with me in an interview because you know deep down you're full of ****ing ****.

But instead of being a man, you ****ed my entire trip by cancelling like a little *****. I fully expect you to delete this thread and ban me from the forum. That's what folks like you start doing when they can't handle the heat (note that NONE of your ******ed little forum people have been banned from my forum). But you'll ban me and delete this before too many people see it. That's what you've become: a pathetic old man who can't handle criticism of any sort.

I still think Starting Strength and Practical Programming are good books.

Go **** yourself, Mark.
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