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Old 10-20-2017, 04:33 PM   #76
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Re: 6 week paleo challenge - lose fat, maintain strength, sleep better

Because they are fake, it's 99.9% about the basic law of thermodynamics.

These diets you guys speak of work because they are restrictive. My uv-xyz diet is best because it's the most restrictive. Get my drift bro? It's working for you because it directs you to remove over half of what's in front of you. But it's loltastic to think you will gain more muscle or lose more fat than someone who eats the same calories but from 100% donuts + whey.
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Old 10-20-2017, 04:42 PM   #77
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Re: 6 week paleo challenge - lose fat, maintain strength, sleep better

Everyone is different Loco. Never know till u try it!
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:14 PM   #78
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Because they are fake, it's 99.9% about the basic law of thermodynamics.

These diets you guys speak of work because they are restrictive. My uv-xyz diet is best because it's the most restrictive. Get my drift bro? It's working for you because it directs you to remove over half of what's in front of you. But it's loltastic to think you will gain more muscle or lose more fat than someone who eats the same calories but from 100% donuts + whey.


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Old 10-20-2017, 08:40 PM   #79
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Re: 6 week paleo challenge - lose fat, maintain strength, sleep better

He may be mad, but he's not wrong.

Plenty of legit research about all of this.
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Old 10-20-2017, 09:04 PM   #80
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6 week paleo challenge - lose fat, maintain strength, sleep better

Good gym session this morning.

3x4 heavy press
3x10 press
3x10/10 super set muscle cleans and db lateral raises

4x6/12 super set preacher curl, hammer curl
3x15 dips
3x12 face pulls

2x1min planche

Weighed in 3.4kg down from my first morning - v happy with this for 18 days in. Goal is to aim to lose the same again in the next 3 weeks and 2 days
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Old 10-21-2017, 01:01 AM   #81
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Yeah the mental aspects are what convinced me, plus I was already so close anyways so why not try it out? I currently don't buy any arguments that it's better for fat loss than any other diet on the same deficit. (although I am slowly being swayed that a calorie is a calorie is way too simple.)
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It's a more enjoyable way to diet for me. I love eating meat and eggs so much and apart from the convenience, I don't miss eating bread and other complex carbs at all.

I definitely enjoy more focus and concentration during the day - there's no 'blur' between 1.30 and 3pm after lunch and it helps me sleep better at night, albeit I think more than anything that's the lack of alcohol.

I also think my teeth feel cleaner and my skin is clearer when I'm strict for a couple of weeks but w/e

It's more expensive for sure and definitely less convenient - I don't think I could live this way 24/7/365 but I'd like to get back to at least being strict paleo for all but 3 or 4 meals per week

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Because they are fake, it's 99.9% about the basic law of thermodynamics.

These diets you guys speak of work because they are restrictive. My uv-xyz diet is best because it's the most restrictive. Get my drift bro? It's working for you because it directs you to remove over half of what's in front of you. But it's loltastic to think you will gain more muscle or lose more fat than someone who eats the same calories but from 100% donuts + whey.
You're in agreement as far as I can tell, but phrasing it like you're disagreeing and spreading the truth. Both of us mentioned that we enjoy the diet for reasons that are not "low carb shreds fat" as you seem to be implying.

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It's working for you because it directs you to remove over half of what's in front of you.
This is not correct. Keto replaces a lot of things which are high carb and not particularly calorie dense with some calorie dense, not particularly sating, items such as avocado, nuts, nut butters, butter and oils. If you want to adhere to keto and still lose weight then calorie counting is probably even more important.
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Old 10-21-2017, 01:22 AM   #82
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My own experience is that I lose weight whenever I cut out all the bad foods and liquid calories and eat cleaner, but I prefer to focus my diet this way because it is more enjoyable and thus easier to follow. I also believe it has other positive side effects such as for my gut health, my sleep and the mental focus I get from regulating sugars

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Also this, but I can understand how somebody sprinting around the internet looking for an argument to win may not be able to read every word
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Old 10-21-2017, 03:01 AM   #83
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Just got to the 2/5/10 table. All Asian kids in their 20s talking about ranges and win rates. Why do they do this?
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Old 10-21-2017, 04:15 AM   #84
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Because being perceived as a great player is more important to them than actually winning money. And a lot of them aren't even winning players.
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Old 10-21-2017, 04:32 AM   #85
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Re: 6 week paleo challenge - lose fat, maintain strength, sleep better

Oops - posted this in the wrong thread. Agree
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Old 10-21-2017, 04:39 AM   #86
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As someone who has had decent success at both live and online poker, I can say that 80% of the online players that come and play live get crushed. And those guys are generally the type of guys who talk about ranges and **** at the table.
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Old 10-21-2017, 09:04 AM   #87
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Also this, but I can understand how somebody sprinting around the internet looking for an argument to win may not be able to read every word
More enjoyable dieting?


The truth of the matter is that you feel success on paleo because it is so restrictive and filling that it controls your overeating. Same thing for bluegrass and keto.

That's my point and the other newbs must understand why these diets work. No science, all restriction.
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Re: 6 week paleo challenge - lose fat, maintain strength, sleep better

I think a lot of the confusion here is stemming from the fact that "diet" has more that one definition:


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restrict oneself to small amounts or special kinds of food in order to lose weight.


the kinds of food that a person, animal, or community habitually eats.

You seem to be stuck on the first of these definitions, whereas we moved on to the second one a long time ago. (Also you seem to be blowing up one sentence from some random website that lists some macros and are applying it to everyone on the diet)

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Dropped the sweet potato, switched out bananas for more berries and almonds for brazil nuts and that was pretty much it.
These were the changes that I made to get into ketosis. As you'll notice that's not particularly restrictive, if it's restrictive at all.

As I mentioned in my last post, a lot of keto friendly foods such as oils, nuts, nut butter, avocado, butter... really anything that is high fat (and keto is a high fat diet)... are not necessarily filling and not restrictive. As I said, if anything it's likely people need to count calories more when eating these foods.

So going back to the two definitions, we passed the "caloric deficit = lose weight" stuff a long time ago and then moved on to what diet (different definition) makes us feel good mentally, physically, and is easier to adhere to. So while you think you're saying "caloric deficit = weight loss" what you're now saying is some IIFYM nonsense where people will feel just as good on the ice cream and protein powder diet as a well balanced diet because all that matters is that you are in a caloric deficit.

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For a successful diet to work you need to be in a calorific deficit.

A good diet can result in having more energy and feeling better in general.
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Old 10-21-2017, 09:38 AM   #89
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More enjoyable dieting?





The truth of the matter is that you feel success on paleo because it is so restrictive and filling that it controls your overeating. Same thing for bluegrass and keto.



That's my point .

But it's also my point
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Old 10-21-2017, 11:19 AM   #90
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This has been amusing, but there is no evidence of any enhanced mental performance for people in ketosis long term. (Healthy pops obv)

If anything, Keto fans would need to show that it is even equivalent given the Bayesian prior. Also, unless you've been keeping a log of your energy/thinking levels (Pref with a quantitative reference for mental acuity) you're also certainly just falling prey to the same cognitive biases everyone else does.
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Old 10-21-2017, 12:01 PM   #91
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Re: 6 week paleo challenge - lose fat, maintain strength, sleep better

That. ^

And also fat being a suboptimal fuel for any high intensity work.

But if performance isn't a concern, then i suppose it doesn't matter.
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Old 10-21-2017, 12:30 PM   #92
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Re: 6 week paleo challenge - lose fat, maintain strength, sleep better

As much as I'd like to hear what my cognitive biases are, and what the definitive Bayesian prior for starting keto is (pretty sure it's not what mine was) I will give the definitive, quantitative proof that keto makes me have higher mental performance and be done with this:

Arguments with Thremp while not on keto: whether raising children is difficult, whether or not Thremp understands the ending of a book better than the author of that book.

Arguments with Thremp since starting keto: None. Won't be entering into some debate about trying to quantify my mental clarity while on a specific diet, especially when I'm apparently not a good source for how I feel.

G4S: Personally I have no problem with intense activity for a half hour or so, but for longer duration cardio I do not do nearly as well as when I was eating more carbs.
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Old 10-21-2017, 12:50 PM   #93
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias

bgp,

Congrats on realizing you're nowhere close intellectually. While I'm interested in you threatening to ban me for asking you to support your equivocating stances, I'm not interested enough to read your meandering and ultimately meaningless thought pieces. (That was a vapid response that didn't acknowledge basic cognitive biases, which I assume you know virtually nothing about, since you'd be in agreement otherwise, nor did you provide any real evidence that supports your view.)
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Old 10-21-2017, 06:03 PM   #94
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Re: 6 week paleo challenge - lose fat, maintain strength, sleep better

Christ, today is going to be a challenge.

Was in the most incredible 5/10 game last night and just couldn't allow myself to leave the casino til after 2. Home at 3 and was so wired that I didn't get to sleep til after 4. Awesome then to get woken at 6.15 by my son

We have some family coming over for breakfast in an hour and I've been sent to the French bakery to buy almond and chocolate croissants and baguettes. Not at all confident of my ability to fade all these pastries
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Old 10-22-2017, 02:47 AM   #95
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Re: 6 week paleo challenge - lose fat, maintain strength, sleep better

faded the pastries, but have been picking on bad food all day - Doritos and potato chips that were left hanging around and a handful of leftover French Fries.

Fatigue really is the diet killer - my willpower disappears on 2 hours sleep and I start craving sugar, salt and booze. if I can get through this evening without cracking open a bottle of red, it'll be a moral victory

went for an hour long walk with my wife up around the coastal paths and did a little work in my garden, so a good active rest day.
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Old 10-22-2017, 04:22 AM   #96
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I am worthless and weak
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Old 10-22-2017, 01:29 PM   #97
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@fatigue = diet killer. No doubt - this is how I gained 30+ lbs in 4 years playing poker at night and getting up for work 3 hours later.
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Old 10-22-2017, 06:12 PM   #98
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8 hours sleep last night was awesome. Felt a little groggy at the gym this morning and was too busy tracking NFL scores to train too hard

4x8 KB Squats
3x28 KB walking lunge
INterval work on the assault bike

back on the horse after yesterday's mulligan and committed to having a strict week
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Put down the phone at the gym and train. No gainz will ever be had with that type of workout.
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Put down the phone at the gym and train. No gainz will ever be had with that type of workout.
thanks for the pep talk!

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