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haven't caught up to any of your interval averages yet, but I must admit I check your scores after every time I improve on mine to see where I stand against you. one day maybe...

I haven't tried a 4x1500 or 4x2k yet...do you recommend?

one thing I can guarantee is that as long as I'm physically capable, I will be training & exercising regularly. I'm 49 now and I've played sport and been in gyms my entire life and it's a vital habit that I will persist with for as long as I am physically capable. The only two times that I haven't trained at least 4x per week on average were after my ACL reconstruction and when I was treating my disc issue and both times I was depressed, fat (fatter ) and unmotivated during those periods.

the intensity with which I train will vary, which I think is normal. I have a busy life and sometimes other priorities re-emerge and this results in me ticking over on auto pilot (exercising vs training), but I'll always be active.

there's a good chance I won't post in here during those periods, because I'm not sure there's much point...albeit I've enjoyed connecting with a few other people in here, getting inspiration from others and charting my workouts publicly.

And probably the focus of my training will change at some point too. I'm already being tempted to try surf skiing with the thought that it might become a regular habit and that might dent my rowing. And out of the blue recently, I was asked to join a veterans rugby team. My ego and competitive spirit is tempted, but I think that will be a fools errand.

but while I guess I am an ex crossfitter..but I really identify far more as a former rugby player. While I'd always been very active and interested in being fit and playing sport, trying to make it as a rugby player was the reason I first really committed to becoming stronger fitter faster in a formalised way. But...my last game of competitive rugby was 1999 so I'm way past the statute of limitations on that. My last crossfit WOD before last week's Arjun encouraged attempt was probably 2013.

Training today

5x3 strict press 60kg
3x8 DB press 24 kg
4x15 Dips

10 min slow row - 2.03/500

had a good sleep but woke up feeling a little flat after yesterday's intervals. Happy to get through the Press rep scheme and I'll be moving up in weight next session. I found myself needing longer rest between sets - usually I limit myself to 90-100 seconds, but I needed 120-150 by the end of the 5x3. .

the row was really just a recovery effort to clear out the legs after ,yesterday but I felt very sluggish from a metcon perspective and I'll definitely wait til Sunday to do my 5k time trial.

alcohol free night last night Lozen...

The guy is 50 and has come in and is already posting incredibly impressive times and is strong. How can that be flash in the pan? He has obviously been training consistently for years and years. loco power ranking down.

lol loco tho

Yeah not impressive at all. The only reason he can do that stuff is cause he's 50. If I was 50 I'd blow him out of the water.
Let's see if he can still do that when he's 100. If he even makes it to 100.

Here is the point, almost none of it was logged here. He came here with these goals for 2021 and hit them with no programming before the end of February.

Lol.

Now they are still impressive numbers but they are flash in the pan type results. Especially when we can't see the journey he took to get there. If a runner all of a sudden came in and ran a 2:48 marathon after two posts, we would be impressed but yeah so what.

This guy has a shot at being competitive at rowing. So seeing him actually get on a program and make a run for it would be impressive and a learning experience for all.

Now having said that, he addressed my concerns in that post. Says he is a lifetime athlete but it is considering switching to another exercise hobby. Ok cool let's see the transition to Aussie wind surfer or whatever it was and then post some cool vids.. Or let's see next step in too competitive rowing. Or the lift numbers continue to improve past 50.

I am explaining my thought process as to the flash in the pan comments. But like I said, he mostly addressed it in that post he responded to me. So the only beef is with these other guys who didn't understand my view. Feel wrath understood it and responded with lifetime athlete, might switch to something else. Solid response, can't say anything back. Keep chugging along.

Keep in mind many of us have previous threads that we failed at or stopped posting feel has two
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/8...71/?highlight=

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/8...95/?highlight=

Though what I get your point as well. Everyone here seems to be brutally honest and I appreciate that myself

Though compared to the average 50 year old ....

The last time I set up a rowing thread, I basically lost all interest after I went sub 7 in the 2k. tbh I’ve looked for an indoor rowing club to join to train and get better/push harder because without it I worry that I’ll have the motivation to keep going so hard....particularly when the gains slow down

Can’t find one though, so the only option would be to join a river rowing club and I’m not sure this old dog wants to learn to row on the water.

I’m not losing motivation yet tbh and I’m really enjoying the greater focus on cardio and how it’s making me feel. So I might finally go on to the C2 website and see if that will help

The surf lifesaving community here (and they do have their own sport here...weirdly called Ironman...a combination of surf ski, ski paddle and swimming and a huge cardio endeavour) have a thing called Dragon Boat racing which looks fun as well.


Either way, I’m really enjoying the last few months of training and logging. All comments welcome as long as it’s not being deliberately obnoxious or questioning integrity.

I actually think Loco was trying to be nice in his own way.

Everyone is getting his honest opinion this last few days. May be that time of the month

H&F doesn't give much credit for being 49. A few here, including Cha and me, are older than Feel Wrath. It's probably for the best, as it keeps everyone motivated.

I have a few thoughts on training while older which are personal but are in no way revolutionary but may apply to the other veterans in here

The biggest thing I’ve learned is to turn off my inner alpha, remember I’m not training to be the best at something or preparing for battle. Being healthy and active the whole time is better than getting higher numbers occasionally but being injured half the time.

While I still think weak people use ‘listen to your body’ waaaaaay too much as an excuse for being a pussy, I do think it plays a part in adapting your training as you age. I used to have a huge rational and emotional commitment to the back squat but I just kept getting injured. I struggled for two years with it but since I gave it away I’ve had 3 years of almost injury free activity.

Same with the Snatch. I had a giant goal to Snatch my body weight. I got so ****kng close man - like 1.5kg but I kept getting hurt. Had to let it go.

Same with sacrificing weight over form. I train with intensity but never ever do dangerous **** - 4 months off with a disc issue after attempting a stupid deadlift PR will do that to you

I also don’t train for appearance at all - don’t care about abs or big muscles or whatever. And this has allowed me to eat enough to give myself the chance to have the energy to train hard

Lastly I don’t use my age as an excuse not to train. Train smarter sure and leave your ego at the door but keep doing stuff.

Thoughts and additions from the old bulls itt?

Im on that list also at 56

thumb. have you always trained or have you had a prolonged period of inactivity?

training

5x3 Bench @95kg.
3x10 DB Bench 30kg DB
3xsuper set 9x40kg Preacher Curl/9x14kg DB Hammer Curl

first time at this bench weight and really stoked to get through the entire rep scheme. I'm really enjoying alternating 5x3 and 5x5 and pressing more often and it seems to be working. I also think doing the arm work every session is helping - I've never had big arms and have always lol'd at training them specifically as just a vanity exercise, but adding size and strength to my arms seems to have really helped with my pressing.

probably a big 'duh' to other people but it was just a deeply held belief - probably a hangover from the early crossfit methodology (I was in there from 2007) when curls and basically anything other than the core lifts were seen as a totally vain and futile exercise.

I was going to post something more involved, but lol Crossfit pretty much covers the high points

I would say curls are one of the most important exercises you can do. Your biceps can never be too swole.

Also lol Crossfit. Do they even bench bro?

definitely the early days too when it was dominated by Glassman, who is just a giant POS and then just a load of ra at ‘boots and utes’ military guys spouting macho BS

I still agree with the principles and a lot of the methodology but so much bad programming exists in individual gyms and as an ongoing regular habit I think it puts too much strain in the joints

Lol crossfit is an easy thing to say, but what exactly are you loling at? The ultimate goal of crossfit is to be well rounded - strong, good endurance, and good at bodyweight stuff. It seems like every single poster on here has one or more of these as their main goals. There is some awful programming and a cult like vibe around it, but that doesn't define it. I have found that outside the US, crossfit actually has a pretty good reputation. My gym is just a bunch of people trying to get fit without the guns, flags, religion, and what not. Re: the bad programming you see, that's like saying lol powerlifting because program XYZ is dumb. There is some great crossfit programming and some terrible ones, just like every other activity.

Monte is rowing and improving his endurance, while doing bodyweight stuff and L-sits and improving his core. It sounds pretty well rounded and what crossfit is about. Feel wrath is rowing and strength training. You better believe he would be better at crossfit after he is done with this block. Spy only benches and laughs at crossfit because there isn't much benching. Top notch trolling.

I bit. No regrets.

I was a huge frother for years and loved a lot of my time in CrossFit and I still support it as a philosophy and methodology and I enjoy watching the sport. And I agree that many of the people who lol at it are misinformed or just hate aspects that aren’t particularly representative of it

For me many of the issues come down to the business model set up...specifically Glassman’s utter belief in the market as the only way to ‘pick’ good and bad CrossFit gyms. I got certified in 2009 - a two day course - and all of a sudden I was able to own and run a CrossFit gym ...teach people technique and set programming. Obviously I didn’t but hundreds of people did - the barriers to entry were so low that a load of people did and really shouldn’t have been responsible for the safety and programming of activities which are often dangerous if done incorrectly

I was very lucky to train at a gym with excellent coaches but some of the stories I heard from the old days at other gyms were pretty bad. And I honestly think some of the main site WODs...including some of the ones I love with high rep O lifting are really dangerous

Counter point - how many bad PTs are there?

I think I started a log here 10 years ago and was pointed to starting strength. I went to a gym and a PT told me deadlifts were bad for me and to stop. It's an anecdote, but it's pretty prevalent. If I say powerlifting is dumb because PTs are terrible, it would be a moronic argument by me.

My main point is that crossfit isn't Glassman or bad teachers or oly lifting with bad form or a cult. It is a form of fitness where strength, cardio, gymnastics and everything is important. It seems pretty optimal for a long and healthy life.

I’m not a lol CrossFit guy at all. I really enjoyed it - the training, the intensity. learning new stuff and definitely the community in my gym.

I also agree with the PTs point, albeit it generally takes a few months to get a PT certification and not two days so there’s more chance the PT has better training than the new CrossFit gym owner

So I agree with that CrossFit the methodology is generally very positive. Most of the flaws are originated by CrossFit the organisation and then muggles get put off by the meatheads and the brainwashed advocates. But this does include some of the early fitness and diet pronouncements they used to drive in the old days

Either way, I’m going to bed now and hope I’m not going to wake up to another 10 CrossFit posts. I’ve been in your shoes defending it in the past and ultimately your well reasoned arguments will just get met by ‘lol CrossFit’ or videos of really bad jerky deadlifts or whatever so it becomes an exercise in futility

I'm mostly just trolling the universally agreed upon terrible aspects of CrossFit, but "you want to be good at more than one athletic endeavor, which is by definition CrossFit, so by extension you're actually doing CrossFit" is such an amazingly smoothbrained argument that having a serious conversation (to the extent such a thing is possible) wouldn't be productive. Feels' nuanced points seem reasonable, but where's the fun in that.

Yeah **** Feelers so lol CrossFit

Your reading comprehension is smoothbrained. I did not say you're doing crossfit by extension. You go up and down a rower a million times a day and I imply you do crossfit? GTFO.

I was saying that you are improving your endurance, your bodyweight stuff, and if you were to go back to a gym again, then your strength. You would test better at a standard crossfit metcon over time. Loco would as well. Feel would. Renton, probably not, because he only powerlifts (still waiting on your cardio promise). My point was that a lot of people who say lol crossfit actually agree wholeheartedly with the underlying methodology. It's not about doing 532 snatches for time, it's about better all round fitness.

My other point is that all the terrible aspects of crossfit that people lol about exist in every other sport. Go to a gym and watch a rowing machine. The form I have seen on those is worse than any clean and jerk I have ever seen.