health and ethics i wanted to give it a try as for the trainer he is a vegan i knew that before as for the snack i just assumed no way it has anything meat related it was the wrong type of snack

one of the things with the vegan food you have to eat so much just to get the calories in i feel early days though i may see a change

Yes and no. I mean you could subsist on french fries and get a ton of calories in, no problem. But I think "typical" vegan diets are going to tend to lower calorie sure.

But just saying, I know plenty of fat vegans.

i assume all they eat is vegan junk food ? being vegan solves nothing for weight loss it has to be the right food i am not going pig out bad wording stuff out on vegan junk food and assume i will lose weight

Right, they eat a lot, and probably they eat some junk. I'm just saying it's not a silver bullet. I think it may be easier to eat less calories as a vegan, but it's possible to stuff your face too. It's not sufficient on it's own.

forgot shake while grinding must of been up opened for 2 days **** my life

i think going vegan currently is not optimal for me i have to eat so much **** just to hit 2k calories a day will add meat chicken breast/salmon just to make it easier for a few months I will reassess in 90 days so that will be on the 19th of January 2019 hopefully by then i will have more knowledge / recipes to try going vegan again

I just wanna back this up:

Source.

Vegans are eating around just as much fat, salt and sugar as everyone else, which is why these statements are true:

Go to like almost any vegan restaurant and you're gonna get food loaded with oils, salt and added sugar just like any non-vegan restaurant. So while going vegan can tend to have a lot of ancillary benefits, including a tendency to lose weight, to really maximize weight loss with little effort you MUST do better than vegan. And the clues to doing that come from this quote:

To avoid the vegan crap like oils, added sugar, refined grains, and other empty calorie bs that can slow down one's weight loss journey big time, making a lot of your own food is the key.

BTW OP your food log looks pretty damn impressive although I'm not sure what "vivo life - perform salted maca caramel 50grams" is or what you mean by "snacks" but it's obvious to me you're on the right track. If I had to emphasize one thing: do whatever you can to minimize oils from your diet. This will speed up your weight loss big time.

One of the keys to sticking with a plant based diet is you MUST watch your starches. Now normally statements like "watch your X" means eat less. Not in this case. You must watch your starches to make sure you get enough! And by starches I'm talking about those healthy satisfying more calorically dense comfort foods: beans, lentils, peas, other legumes, corn, oatmeal, other whole grains, potatoes, etc. Those are the foods that truly satisfy and put you in a happy place.

Look, the healthiest foods on the planet might be berries and greens, but if all you're doing is eating berries and greens all day you will hate life and want to kill small animals because those foods will never satisfy you, you'll never fell quite full and becuz non-starchy veggies and fruit are so calorically dilute you'll have to be eating all ****ing day which is very annoying and impractical. IMO to make a plant based diet work--at least for most people--it must be starch centered, roughly 70% of your calories should come from healthy starchy plants.

Just to drive this home, take a look at one of the healthiest, longest living populations ever studied, the 20th century Okinawans:



Notice something besides the fact that they ate a 96% plant based diet, coincidentally, roughly the same percentage as all our other great ape relatives (Gorillas, chimps, bonobos, orangutans). Look at how much starchy plants they're eating, like around 90% of their diet is starch!!

thanks dude i was recommended to avoid oil when it came to frying i was told use a tiny bit of water does the trick as for my meal plan i will pm you it if you want a look

looks really interesting i will really take a deep look at this

Absolutely PM me and I'll take a look and I'll give you my take on things. Also any time you have a question about a plant based diet feel free to PM me. Me and my gf went whole food plant based a year and 10 months ago.

The key to cooking oil free is just having the right tools. The GreenPan Lima non-stick frying pan and our Instant Pot pressure cooker are a godsend when it comes to oil free cooking. And yep sauteing in water or low sodium veggie broth is the key move.

Incidentally, my gf was once obese (5'8" 200lbs at 18, and up to 230lbs when pregnant). She's one of the lucky .8% who escaped that. She's always worked out hard to try to get her weight down but it's been a major battle. When I met her in 2013, she was 35 and had her weight down to 142lbs through a combo of caloring counting/portion control + vigorous working out. As you probably know, nobody can keep that up forever, and sure enough she starting gaining weight and got back up to 167lbs and was really depressed, especially at the dire prospects of gaining even more. Then she went plant based, kept working out, and now shes back down to 142lbs and very tone.

Now as you can probably easily guess, my gf's been on every diet you can think of, had her share of eating disorders, basically the same typical American story you hear over and over. She claims going plant based saved her life, and she finally feels in control. She no longer portion controls/counts calories. She just eats healthy plant based meals with no added sugar, no oils, no refined grains, and low sodium, and she eats as much as she wants and the weight stays off. The only time my gf gets in trouble is with healthy albeit calorically dense plant based desserts like say oatmeal cookies or something. Then she can easily binge away and eat 10+ cookies and feel terrible. The solution of course is to not make calorically dense healthy desserts to begin with but my gf is only human. Also, she rarely drinks any calories. Just water, coffee, tea and smoothies--I don't count smoothies as drinking calories since all the fiber is still in there unlike juices. Either way, I think not drinking your calories is another huge key to losing weight and maintaining weight. Eat oranges, no orange juice, eat apples, no apple juice, etc.

Anyways, if you have any questions definitely feel free to PM me.

Here's more info on them:

What Do the Longest Living People Eat?

weight in day 15 = 316ilbs /22.5 stone /143.335kg

lost 4 this week not bad / not good

starting to gag for meat either will do this soy is just not the same feelsbadman

Fat people are fat because they cooked their own wholesome food in a little oil. Glad you guys solved obesity in one fell stroke!

I don't get it. Oil is plant based. Vegan diets, including oil, are typically quite low in dietary fats. It seems somewhat important for a guy trying to lose a hundred pounds to be able to taste his food.

Losing 4lbs in a week is very good.

I responded to your post in my WFPB thread becuz I promised a green person I wouldn't tard up this thread.

i am not going to not post every week with dicks in comment section i dont need this ****

Joking aside, I don't see how anyone has mistreated you in this thread. It is clear from the start that you were anticipating getting negative comments when you stated:

My guess is that you've had to deal with negativity about your weight in the past and have become hyper-sensitive to it as a result. Nobody here wants you to fail. We might sternly encourage you to log more often because our past experience with weight loss logs in this forum. The person trying to lose weight, almost always, almost immediately, fails once he begins to lag behind on logging his food. They also fail almost* always when using extreme dietary approaches like going vegan after having eaten meat their entire life or going on juice cleanses or water fasts. What almost every successful log here has in common is that they are simple and consistent.

* Plaaynde's VLCD smoothie log being an obvious exception.

cheeseball,

Yes you should still comment and more than weekly. If anyone is a dick, you just say, gtfo of my blog and they have to. Kick them out, not you. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.

cheeseball, I've walked your walk. Believe me when I tell you the support and knowledge here is priceless.

my 2 cents about the vegan shiat. Right now your goal is weight loss and protein consumption. Once you get really good at that then incorporate the vegan stuff if that's important to you.

Also, for our vegan friend: ITT we talk about weight loss, period. Stop spewing all that stuff here, as you said you would.

Your changing your life and your lifestyle. It's not fun but it is very worthwhile. YOU are worth it. Believe me, it's worth it. xoxo

Who’s your nutritionist? What macros do they have u on?

I think I have missed the rude posts or they've been deleted. Ban, ban, ban anyone from your log who you consider is rude. This is your space and you should be able to feel comfortable doing your thing. Having said that people here have good advice so try and not to be too sensitive regarding posts.

Locked at OP's request.