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Originally Posted by Pummi81
I'm a huge numbers guy.
I believe that's why I was drawn to poker in the first place.
But yeah, I just like cracking them so I cracked some in excel today.
This time it was weightgain-related.
GOAL
So, my goal is to go from 60kg, 10% BF to 75 kg, 10% BF.
In other words the goal is to gain 13,5 kg of muscle and 1,5 kg of fat.
PARAMETERS
First, lets make a few assumptions:
BULK = eating at maintenance + 500 cals a day.
Muscle/Fat-gain-ratio while bulking = 50/50
CUT = eating at maintenance - 500 cals a day
Muscle/Fat-loss-ratio while cutting = 20/80
Also, for simplicity's sake let's assume that both fat and muscle are lost/gained at a rate of 1kg = 7000 cals.
RESULTS
Using those assumptions, to reach my goal I'd need 110 weeks worth of bulking and cutting.
I picked 3 different strategies to get there and this is how the progress would look like in chart-form with each of them:
One big bulk following one big cut
So, I'd would bulk for ~70 weeks and then cut for ~40 weeks.
Between weeks 17 and 98 I'd be over 15% BF and hate myself for it.
At week 70 I'd peak at 95 kg BW and 25% BF
Also lol at cutting for 40 weeks straight.
Oscillating between 10% and 15% Bodyfat
Steady going and keeping the BF in good enough check.
Bulk periods would last ~20 weeks and cut periods ~10 weeks, which is fine by me.
Bulk for 7 weeks, Cut for 4 weeks, rinse and repeat:
Even steadier going and staying very lean at all times.
This type of Bulk/Cut -periodization would probably produce the worst strength-gains out of the three though.
CONCLUSION
Oscillating between 10% and 15% BF seems like a no-brainer, nice middle-of-the-road solution.
Obv human body doesn't stay work quite this accurately or straightforwardly and my assumptions are well, assumptions. And broad ones.
So, I'm not sure what the point of this post was, other than clogging the Interwebs and that I've too much free time on my hands...
Pummi, to gain muscle in the long term you either need to increase strength, or work capacity, or both. The largest increases in musculature likely result from some combination of improving both qualities, though this is mostly conjecture. But due to diminishing marginal returns of any form of training it seems like you can devote 100% of your efforts to strength, resulting in a strength gain of 100, or 100% of your efforts to work capacity, resulting in a work capacity gain of 100, or split the training 50/50 which results in a gain to both strength and work capacity of something greater than 50, maybe like 75.
Now increased work capacity is largely a function of not being a bitch and doing stuff that sucks. IMO it can be achieved (at least in the 2 year timeline that you're talking about) while on a deficit.
Increased strength however is much more programming/diet dependent. Beyond the beginning stages (say the first 6 months) it is probably unlikely that one will see significant strength gains at any point while on a deficit.
So hopefully this illustrates that this isn't just a frequency of bulking/cutting problem, it is also a programming problem.
A lot of factors will influence optimal frequency of bulk/cut for each individual. Ability to retain strength while on a deficit and rate of strength gain while on a bulk probably being the two most important. And both of these are largely dependent on how advanced the trainee is. Beginners tend to see large swings in strength as a result of caloric consumption, while more advanced trainees tend to struggle to progress on a surplus but also retain more strength while on a cut.
I'm not sure I've articulated my thought process well to this point, but from a purely aesthetic perspective I believe optimal bulking/cutting over a couple of years may look something like:
16 week bulk, 8 week cut, 12 week bulk, 6 week cut, 8 week bulk, 4 week cut, 6 week bulk, 3 week cut, 4 week bulk, 2 week cut, 3 week bulk, 1 week cut, etc.
While bulking you should be pushing a lot of heavy sets of 5 on full rest and heavy sets of 8-10 on shorter rest to maximize strength gains and take advantage of low hanging work capacity increasing fruit as well.
While cutting you should be pushing a few heavy sets of 3-5 on full rest, and filling out the rest of workouts with as much work capacity stuff as possible. Whether that be through circuits, supersets, metabolic conditioning, interval training, crossfit, etc is probably up to the individual. But the goal of this block is to do what you can to retain strength but increase the total amount of work done/poundage moved every week.
Last edited by Doug Funnie II; 04-03-2014 at 09:30 AM.