what does this mean? (comment was in relation to Poland)

Summerside, Prince Edward Island Canada.

Revenue Canada Tax Town. Big Disappointment compared to Charlottetown and the rest of the Island.

Other than that I can think of a few countries but I am not going to get into that for obvious reasons.

Really? I thought it was Montreal which is 2nd on my list of Canadian ****holes.

then you must be a hick if you think montreal is a ****hole

No, I live in between Toronto and Hamilton. I'd rather go to Hamilton TBH.

lol

I'm from detroit and my friend is from michigan, when we visited we both concluded we would rather walk around hamtramck/jefferson than walk around in reno.

Though detroit isn't much better, some of the suburbs are really nice at least, and there are small sections of downtown that are nice, surrounded by abandoned buildings/super aggressive gang members (seriously gang members in detroit just love pointing out the lack of police presence by their outright lack of hiding any illegal activity/hatred for you if you are clearly not from around that area).

Tonopah, Nevada was pretty bad, but thats sort of what I expect out of most ****ty western desert towns really.

Siem Reap, Cambodia was definitely not on the highlight list for cities i've been to, but it makes me wonder how bad phnom pen is since its supposedly horrificly worse.

Flint, Michigan is definitely on the list. I always wonder why the **** my parents chose to live on the east side of the state when the western part is just infinitely nicer.


Also, it has nothing to do with being selfish calling out american cities when detroit is ranked 40th in the world on the list of most dangerous cities in the world. What more do you want, top 10 or nothing? Also, most americans don't travel for ****, and when they do they vacation/skip over the ****ty parts of countries, so what can you really expect?

i mean yea cambodia was ****ty/people in general were clearly underprivileged compared to americans but that has nothing to do with the safety i feel walking around a place/the general demeanor of its inhabitants. I felt safer there and more positive vibe than I did in either reno or when I walk around detroit outside the stadium area/heart plaza.

your post makes me want to visit detroit just for kicks. are there seriously areas where police don't patrol?

Its not that they don't patrol, there is just a severe shortage of cops everywhere and the gang culture is just very bold. Good luck getting any cops to show up if you call in about a minor crime. Good luck driving around there as half the cars don't bother stopping at stop lights in many areas since there is no worry about ever being pulled over (I've heard arguments from people who do this that say "well its safer not to stop at a stop light since you know you won't get jumped and you know you aren't getting pulled over"). The other amazing thing about detroit is the reforestation of the city, there are whole neighborhoods that have been abandoned for so long that trees are growing out of buildings and it really feels like you're driving through the woods with random shacks instead of inside a major city.

Its still the same as any other city though, stick to the good areas (there are still a bunch around the casino's/baseball stadiums/wayne state university) and you're fine and will never even notice any of this really imo. And like I said some of the suburbs are really nice and are really where most of the employment for the area comes from/where I go if say I'm looking to find entertainment/bars/restaurants/shopping etc.

Here is an interesting article dealing with a murder in detroit and really showcasing the state of the city: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-jones-detroit Quote from the article: "You might say that the homicide of Aiyana is the natural conclusion to the disease from which she suffered," Schmidt told me.

"What disease was that?" I asked.

"The psychopathology of growing up in Detroit," he said. "Some people are doomed from birth because their environment is so toxic."

really interesting stuff, thanks for the link.

Went to a military school in Harlingen, Texas. Only really saw the city in a 10 mile radius, but it was horrible nonetheless. There is a high school pretty close to the border there. It had to be closed one day because stray bullets were going through it from a fire fight in Mexico. During the summer and into early November the weather is 90-105 with insane humidity and mosquitos everywhere. My mom still has scars on her arm from visiting me in mid September. Over half of the population seems to come straight from Mexico. Lots of gang/cartel going on. Only fun thing to do there is to get out of there and go to a little island place in the Gulf which is also a bit of a ****hole.

Americans hardly have any vacation--do you really expect Americans to spend a ton of money to visit a **** hole in another country? I'm pretty sure most foreigners that come to the US, don't really visit out ****tiest areas--I wouldn't expect any different from Americans abroad. I've been to Manila as a child, and it was definitely ****ty.

There was a big case, where a newly married couple went there on their honeymoon and the woman was killed in her room. The cops grabbed the first guy off the street and charged him with the murder, it went to court and it wasn't him, big outrage over here over that.

****holes I Have been to..

Bratislava (Slovakia) Been here twice, street kids trying to mug you, nobody in bars would be helpful, everything is a scam to get money off you. Taxi man took us 10+miles on a motorway the wrong way. No mobile phone signal anywhere. Also did I mention Hostel was filmed here lol.

Kutno (Poland) Had an unfortunate 5 hour layover here while transferring trains. I was told that the train station was large and it was a "hub" for people traveling through poland. Drug addicts/homeless/alcoholics everywhere.

Katowice (Poland) Again a train layover here, we were told by our hostel receptionist not to leave the train station, there were riot police in the train station patrolling (it was around 1am when we were there) we literally parked ourselves in a corner and didn't move for 3hours.

Not gonna say Poland in general, as i Spent 2 weeks in Torun, very very beautiful city with lots to do/see.

After reading this piece, Detroit seems like the biggest ****hole in North America/Western Europe.

Waterbury, Connecticut.

I spent a month there about 9 years ago and it is just plain horrible. There are some old buildings that are still standing from the good ole days but god damm that town was so depressing.No work, tons of crime and just a bunch of nasty ugly depressed scum bags.
I remember seeing tons of ******ed and mentally ill people all over the place, I finally asked a local why the town had soooo many mentally damaged people. He said the town was so poor that they started building special group homes and schools so they could import all of the patients from around the U.S. and collect the tax money from taking care of them. Oh yeah this isn't a joke, but one reason I always noticed them was that unlike the locals most of the mentally challenged were usually smiling.

If ever you have the urge to visit a town full of ugly meth addicted prostitutes, aggro ladyboys, and a host of creepy foreigners....


Pattaya, Thailand is the place to be!



Always felt a slight sense of danger walking around the streets here. (although its not really dangerous if you keep to yourself, don't get too drunk, or start a fight with the wrong person. Foreigners offing other foreigners is quite common in Pattaya)


some more pics i posted in the Thailand travel thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=26862

so many greasy foreigners in those pictures, ****en horrible looking place.

Hamilton is the armpit of Canada. Hard to make a legitimate argument that Hamilton > Montreal

^ The understatement of the millenium - I've worked in/visited 38 countries, many of them developing countries. I've spent time a lot of cities that qualify as ****holes - Nairobi, Manila, Bangkok, Perm, Russia (one of the former Gulag cities), Dakar, Freetown (Sierra Leone), and many others. But Lagos is at the very bottom of the heap.

One time I was flying from Sierra Leone or Ghana (forgotten which) on British Airways back to London, and we had to stop in Lagos to pick up/drop off passengers. The captain came on the horn and said something like "we have some minor repairs needed, nothing that affects safety, but they have the parts here and and we would like to stay over in Lagos for the night if there are no major objections". The passengers (including me) responded as one with loud chants of "NO NO NO". We flew on.

I remember going to DC with my cousins husband. He is from Guatemala and needed to go to Guatemala bank or smth. So I thought what the hell I might as well go with him and see the city.
The neighborhood where the bank was located was the worst I have ever seen. Not even just the neighborhood itself but the surrounding areas and the road to the place also.
Lot's of homeless people and beggars+the so called thugs sitting on corners and so on. Also while being behind the red light always some bum came up to the car window and started to knock on the window to beg for more. Being a skinny white dude didn't helped much also.
I never had a stronger "let's get a fk outta here asap" feeling before.

Gonna add Newark to the list too. Was out clubbing at Elizabeth NJ also and didn't feel very safe walking between different clubs at night+the streets were filled with trash and looked like nobody haven't clean there in years. Tho the clubs itself were nice.
I'm from Europe tho.

Harrisburg PA
Wilmington DE

Going to SE DC as a gringo is no bueno, but I've lived in several big cities in the US - SF, LA, Denver, Boston, New Orleans, NYC and DC. By far my personal favorite is DC. Free museums, plenty of trees, now there are plenty of good restaurants, and if you stay out of the bad areas pretty safe IMO.

Wilmington isn't really any worse than any other major non-NYC East Coast city. There are some bad areas for sure, but also a lot of nice places and stuff to do, and a large young professional w/disposable income population.

Yes, you are def. right. The other part of the city was nice indeed.

Quite like DC as well. Plenty to do, easy to find great restaurant recs. and convenient enough public transportation. Christ was it hot, though.