First semi-final of the WBSS starts at the hour.

Boxrec #1 Oleksandr Usyk 13(11)-0 v. Mairis Briedis 23(18)-0 Boxrec #2

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No one "disregards" the win, but the idea that a quick KO win is more telling than a multi round beating is as wrong now as it was immediately after Conor/Aldo.

Life is unfair
People would rather see Conor school Aldo like he did to Alvarez or like max did to Aldo but Aldo ****ed up hard and dropped in 13 sec.
Max win to Aldo is less significant not because of how the match went. It is because he was 2nd to conor
Conor destroyed a 10 year winning streak when max beat jose"i want to retire mma for soccer or boxing" Aldo.

GOAT status requires long running dominance, and beating the greatest doesn't make you the greatest.

eddy,

JDS KO'd Cain, but after two more fights he was proven to not be the better fighter. FWIW, I think Conor beats Aldo almost every time, but a quick KO doesn't say the same thing as sustained beatdown. Besides, Aldo looked sharper than ever in his rematch with Frankie.

GOAT talk again? we've been over this, the answer is rich clementi

What everyone else said. And I don't discount it, just don't think it speaks volumes for GOAT status. GOAT who never defended a belt is just lawl, but the status is there for his taking if he'd fight.

This is nothing

This is accurate, but only matters for Max v. Conor

Think of it this way. How many ways can TJ/Barao go? How many ways can Max/Aldo go? Basically one. One guy clearly dominated the other. Even without rematches, after the results of the first fights, it's pretty easy to say "That guy is better".

That's not true of Conor/Aldo (probably true right now because Aldo is broken and Conor is on more Coke than the city of Atlanta). That fight didn't involve round after round of one guy dominating the other. It was a flash KO. One situation is pretty much proof positive one guy is better, the other could easily be a fluke.

To be clear, I don't think it was a fluke, I think at that point, Conor was better than Aldo, but that's not really the point. Let Conor rack up a few defenses. Hell, let's start with one.

Conor most likely had won the match before even stepping in.
As I said goat discussion are sterile and subjective.
I was talking about public perception.

Anyway ufc 226 champion vs champion : Woodley vs MC Gregor. DC vs Stipe. Cyborg vs nunes and dj vs tj.
Just to **** any possibility to rank people.

lol at calling a guy with 3 ranked wins, one of them against a guy who had zero training camp, the goat.

When Conor beat Max, Max was 21, unranked, and coming off a loss. Even after he was still struggling with guys like Fili.

I mean he didn't even fight Frankie.

so we're gonna have to accept that conor beat the goat easily then

We can agree to disagree about Conor and move on, but one thing everyone should be able to agree on is that the public is stupid and no one (other than match makers) should care what they think.

it's really funny how blinded people become when discussing conor.

ah, public perception, the same force that led to mayweather -300.

Hmm seems like Anderson silva is done. Diuretic + synthetic testosterone.
Not that it's a big surprise.

Winning a few fights even against the ones considered the best doesn't matter in GOAT discussion. Max and Conor are in the same situation as Anthony Pettis and Weidman once were, couple years later and Pettis and Weidman are nowhere near GOAT discussion. You need longevity to be considered the GOAT of a weight class which neither Conor or Max have.

There is a clear GOAT in FW and it's Aldo. You may think Max and Conor would've always been better than Aldo but that's only speculation, you need proof which can be achieved only by longevity. Plus there is always match-up question that Max and Conor would lose some fights that Aldo didn't (i.e. Frankie).

holloway out of ufc 222 vs edgar

I don't believe it is tangible but there is less weight to beating a fighter who has been broken badly. There is also weight to a fighter coming back from being broken that should matter.

I'm fairly hot on Anderson Silvia as goat, and part of that is he came back from a catastrophic leg injury to be even mildly competitive. That is rare af. I don't think he is given enough consideration for that and I also think his status is too diminished by his performance after the decline.

I'll say that gsp coming back after the lay off to take the belt is significant for similar reasons, not as much because of the win at mw (lol bisping) but the feat itself.

I also think the old days of Grand Prix victories are not weighed appropriately. It is obviously a different sport now with different rules and better knowledge and more skilled fighters but for something as subjective as this question just win loss record and competition is not the full picture.

Anyway, if a fighter is dominant for years and years facing whatever competition comes their way and finally declines, the first person to beat them is not the auto goat. Weidman could have retired years ago as the goat in a lot of people's eyes but he is not even being floated in the convo today. Conor is in that boat to me.

if we're talking any weights jon jones is obviously the goat and its not remotely close

Agreed.

GOAT cheater. I have serious doubts he beats DC if he wasn't on all peds imaginable, gus either.

Odds that jj fooled novitsky?
Usada seems to believe he didn't take anything significant nor on purpose

Second WBSS Cruiserweight semi-final starting on the hour. Last week's was excellent, this should be too.

seems to be a double standard with Silva also cheating and still considered goat. Probably because most people think he only cheated to get back in shape after the leg/old age

Their careers are both invalid.

Gutted about Holloway