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09-26-2013 , 03:18 AM
Originally Posted by caught_clean
Chael isnt the wrestling powerhouse a lot of people think sadly. Hes good obviously but hes not as good as a lot of people think. He looks amazing vs strikers though.

I would love to know how people think Jones beat Cain in a 5 round fight. I think he would do well against some of the top HWs, but I would bet against him vs Reem, JDS, Barnett, Cain and probably Werdum but some of those are really close.
I agree with that. It might not be fair to single out one fight but his fight against Bisping is a good example. His toughest test when it comes to wrestling (aside from Jones) is probably Okami, who he managed to out-hump pretty solidly but not while looking all that great iirc.

Originally Posted by DC11GTR
I don't think it was that. I think he was genuinely surprised at what Gus was bringing and it threw him off. He was not prepared for that. But he rose to the occasion and won. Also, and this probably doesn't mean that much, but Greg wasn't allowed in his corner. So his coach wasn't able to give instruction on the fly and calm him down. But again, he worked through it and won.
Yeah, I don't think that meant much. Greg was allowed to corner him, Jones just wasn't allowed 4 corner men and they chose to not have Greg last minute. If Greg was vital they'd chose him over one of the other 3.

Originally Posted by rubbrband
I won't give a whole lot of clout to Gus's takedown because he kind of caught him off balance but I think Jon only got one takedown and Gus nullified it by getting up before Jon could do anything. Jones was out wrestled the entire match both offensively and defensively which is amazing considering his previous fights vs Evans, Bader, and Cheal where he not only beat them at wrestling but dominated.

I attribute this much more to Gus's size than his actual wrestling prowess. Jones is unable to use his weird leverage and angling on a taller fighter. Maybe I'm grasping at straws here but I think it's not really safe to assume Gus became the best wrestler in LHW over night.

This combined with reach in striking is why I am beginning to doubt jones' chance at HW
I agree with the first bolded. Jones didn't expect Gus to go for any TDs and Gus caught him off balance. Not a big deal.

Second bolded, I don't think anyone believes this. He just has great TDD. He's shown it in the past and it keeps improving. That's not to say his size didn't work in his favor (or rather, the size of Jones' past opponents worked against them).

Originally Posted by caught_clean
The latter 3 are close for me. Like Reem obliterates him on the feet, but you never know with Reem, half way through the round he could pull inverted guard and figure out a way to lose the fight. Barnett would be interesting. Wouldn't shock me at all if he blew right through Jones or Jones was able to keep him back and maybe take the wrestling to him. Werdum and Bigfoot would be slight dogs (I think they would be favorites vs current Jones mind you) but are just super dangerous HWs with heart and I think could not be counted out.
This sounds about right. I agree wrt Reem, I would have Jones as a favorite if nothing else because Reem seems be able to to figure out a way to lose. You probably hold Werdum and Bigfoot's striking in slightly higher regard than I do (or I hold Jones striking in a higher regard). Against Bigfoot I could see him get some TDs as well. I'd expect Bigfoot and Werdum to be at least -200 dogs.

Originally Posted by Kirbynator
Would love to know how Cain would beat Jones in a 5 round fight!

He couldnt finish a JDS half in coma. Kinda did the same with bigfoot the first time around.

I dont really see cain finishing jones.

But I could see cain's takedown being a problem if Jones wants to give a kicking lesson again.

A heavy Jones must have insane TDD overall tho.
The same way he's beaten all his other opponents, with a high pace, solid boxing and great wrestling. Gus was so competetive against Jones because he used his great footwork stay out of Jones range. Cain will do the opposite, use his tenacity and great pace to close the distance. I don't think Jones will be able to combat that, because his footwork isn't all that good. On top of that Cain has great wrestling and TDs, so I agree that'll be a problem for Jones.

And Jones hasn't shown great finishing power on his feet either.
09-26-2013 , 03:26 AM
id love to see how a 250 pounds jones would do in close range against cain

Id suspect many cuts going mexico's way
09-26-2013 , 03:43 AM
I don't think we'd see a 250 pound Jones, at least not within his first year at HW.
09-26-2013 , 03:44 AM
he'd be at least 230-240 no?

thats probably his walking weight
09-26-2013 , 03:53 AM
Yeah my guess is he'd probably fight at 235-240 in his first fight.
09-26-2013 , 03:57 AM
Overeem would never be a favorite over Jones. He can't be after his last few performances.

One spinning elbow and he's cowering up and after another ten seconds of cowering he's huffing and puffing for air.

And Barnett? Give me a break. What is HE going to do?

Last edited by kingofcool; 09-26-2013 at 03:59 AM. Reason: Jones is someone i never root for. Why am i defending him?
09-26-2013 , 03:59 AM
Yea he'd probably be around that at HW in fighting condition his first year at HW, and most likely the rest of his career barring overeeming.
09-26-2013 , 04:02 AM
Jones would have access to da best steroids in the business given both his brothers are nfl players. Arthur weighing 315lbs!
09-26-2013 , 04:06 AM
If it happens to happen without Jones' direct direction, then that would be God's will.
09-26-2013 , 04:09 AM
I think this episode of TUF merits another hearty...


09-26-2013 , 05:02 AM
Yeah, no idea how i could find Ronda awesome before. She's such a creep.
And Edmond? wtf? OK LETS DO IT NOW! Oh you're just calling me out because i will get kicked out!

Also that fight was what i feared womens mma would be all about. Damn was that sloppy.
09-26-2013 , 05:41 AM
jones could get taken down @ HW.
also the HW guys could prolly eat more of his gimmick strikes.
if you can avoid JJ's gimmick strikes, you won't get into much trouble.
jds would out box him. cain's cardio/wrestling are better than JJs.
09-26-2013 , 06:43 AM
Cain is better then Jones at everything imo. Probably not at submissions from the top. Look what Cain has done to Bigfoot and JDS standing, he would walk through 90% of Jones Dalsim knee pokes and just blast him. Elbows could cause cuts and spinning elbows better land because if Cain gets double unders after he misses hes gonna get taken down and held down for 5 minutes. I dont know if Cain would finish him but if Jones doesnt land a miracle in 2 rounds he is in for a tough night like the JDS 2 fight.
09-26-2013 , 09:02 AM

UFC president Dana White confirmed Jones' next opponent to on Wednesday. According to White, Jones personally requested to fight Teixeira next.

"That's what the champ wants," White said. "We'll probably have that fight on the Super Bowl card in New Jersey."
Apparently he wants to fight Gustafsson after Glover. His reason behind it make no sense, but whatever.

Also read on Sherdog that he doesn't want to fight Gus again "because i only fought at 70%", something he is supposed to have told Ariel Helwani in an interview. Can't be 100% sure of how accurate that is though as there's no links to the interview.

Edit: from Ariels twitter----

Shaun Al-Shatti ‏@shaunalshatti 13h
Jon Jones says he felt like he was 70% at UFC 165. Gave Gustafsson props, but not going to entertain another training camp until he’s 100%
Retweeted by Ariel Helwani
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Shaun Al-Shatti ‏@shaunalshatti 13h
Jon Jones initially believed most fair thing to do was immediate rematch. Now, after re-watching, thinks it’d be give next contender a shot
Retweeted by Ariel Helwani

Ariel Helwani ‏@arielhelwani 13h
RT @shaunalshatti: Jones re-watched the Alexander Gustafsson fight over 10 times, thinks he decisively won rounds 2, 4, 5, per @UFCTonight
09-26-2013 , 09:24 AM
Fight was close but not close enough to merit an immediate rematch imo.

I don't doubt Jones wasn't 100% coming back so soon after the toe injury.
09-26-2013 , 09:35 AM
Possibly the greatest title fight in history of the ufc plus the fact that all measures of round two plus three have the fight a coinflip is not enough to warrant a rematch? Do you feel the second round was crystal clear despite one of the judge scoring it for alex and fightmetric have it 42-41 or something like that?

(don't get me started on fightmetric though. they have alex connecting with 3 power shots to the head in round 4. That's absolutely ridiculous.)
09-26-2013 , 09:50 AM
I am ok with no rematch as long as Gus gets next crack, Glover is dangerous at least, but if Gus gets screwed then thats a joke. Gus is awesome but some guys are bad style match ups for him out there (davis etc) so I kinda hope he sits it out but at the same time sucks to have him inactive.
09-26-2013 , 09:51 AM
Also Jones saying he was dominate and won decisively is pretty .... heh. Dana just cant figure out why no one likes him!

09-26-2013 , 09:54 AM
I don't mind Gus fighting someone else (in Sweden!) and that Jones fights Glover. What i lol at is Jones reasons and his comments.

Hell no gus should not sit it out! If he wants to become the greatest he needs to take on tough challengers.
If he fought a wrestler now that's another camp he can focus entirely on wrestling and become even tougher to take down in a rematch with Jones.
09-26-2013 , 10:03 AM
Word. I do wonder who he could fight in the meantime though.
09-26-2013 , 10:06 AM
Gustaffson/Cormier eliminator?
09-26-2013 , 10:20 AM
Rewatched the fight for the first time.

1st: I score it to Gus but I think it's a close round. Gus cutting Jones is probably what seals it, even though that was just a glancing blow.

2nd: No, I don't think this round is clear at all. If I could cop-out and score it a draw I would, but obviously that's not something judges want to do. Someone wh thinks Jones clearly won this one explain it to me.

3rd: Gus wins the first 3 minutes, then Jones has a good period before a pretty even final minute. I give it to Gus.

4th: Gus has his best round until the final minute, where Jones steals it.

5th: Pretty clearly to Jones.

Total: A good case could be made for the decision going either way. I don't really care if the rematch is immediate or not. I think giving both fighters another fight before rematch this summer is a good idea. Preferably at the 4th of July card when I'll be in Vegas.
09-26-2013 , 10:24 AM
Originally Posted by Faluzure
Gustaffson/Cormier eliminator?
That's very unlikely to happen because Gus and Cormier are two of very few fighters they can legitimately match Jones with at this point. Both those fights would mean hugh PPV$ for the UFC.

I think Alex will fight Mousasi, the winner of Rashad vs Sonnen or something similar. Same for Cormier.
09-26-2013 , 11:07 AM
I'm kind of bummed, but at the same time it would be pretty awesome if Jones beats Glover then Cormier and Gus has two dominating wins and they meet again.

Will be really bummed if Gus losses somehow though.

Gus vs Cormier would be gross. Ruins one of the very few contenders left.
09-26-2013 , 11:09 AM
Also, boy oh boy is Jones refusing the rematch and it being public knowledge going to pile on the Jones hate.