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Let's watch some legalised violence. September MMA/Fightin' Thread Let's watch some legalised violence. September MMA/Fightin' Thread
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09-12-2013 , 06:28 PM
Somebody who's actually knowledgeable about women's MMA please answer me this: I know Tate was owned in the first fight, what kind of chances does she have a second go around?
09-12-2013 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Phresh
I only got to see half of the episode. What happened and why was a guy removed? Injury? And which guy was brought back?

Rhonda is nuts and super annoying LOL.
Tim got a hamstring injury I assume from the fight, he needs 4-6 month of rehab.

Louis is back, he's the guy who came out in a frantic pace but got submitted by Faber's guy.
09-12-2013 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Thug Bubbles
Somebody who's actually knowledgeable about women's MMA please answer me this: I know Tate was owned in the first fight, what kind of chances does she have a second go around?
I didn't think their first fight was that lopsided. Tate having been injured and losing against Zingano is probably what makes her such big underdog in this fight. I'm still surprised you can get +700 on Tate and think that's a pretty good bet. Tate's a big dog though.

Edit: I think Tate with a good game plan can possibly upset Ronda. I feel like in the first fight she was a bit careless (pretty common in women's MMA from what I've seen) and got dragged into ground fight. Tate's got a good ground game but that's still not where she wants to be with Ronda. If she manages to keep it standing she has a pretty good chance and it's not as if it's an instant loss if the fight goes to the ground for a few minutes. Realistically Ronda is the one who's likely to have improved the most since their last fight though.

Last edited by Nick Royale; 09-12-2013 at 06:56 PM.
09-12-2013 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Thug Bubbles
Somebody who's actually knowledgeable about women's MMA please answer me this: I know Tate was owned in the first fight, what kind of chances does she have a second go around?
just rewatched the first fight ,

shes gonna get crushed , rousey was able to judo throw her whenever she wanted .

tate's only chance if she can luckbox getting on rousey's back like she did last time , or keep it standing since rousey's standup is garbage .
09-12-2013 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Thug Bubbles
Somebody who's actually knowledgeable about women's MMA please answer me this: I know Tate was owned in the first fight, what kind of chances does she have a second go around?
I would say somewhere around 15%. I think both have improved A lot since their first fight.

Tate's key to victory during their last fight was to keep the fight standing and out strike Ronda. However after a year of hard training, I'm not sure Tate even has the edge striking anymore, and even if she does we saw in their last fight that She will have a very hard time staying off the mat with her striking style. However even though Ronda has a very distinct advantage on the ground, She has a very aggressive style, mixing that together with how talented of a grappler Tate truly is, i think that Tate winning via submission isn't out of the question. (we have seen Ronda have her back taken vs Meisha and the less skilled grappler in Liz)

On top of all of that Ronda has never seen r2 and has never had her cardio tested in the up and down striking, to grappling contest like an MMA fight. Which may not mean much, but is something to be considered, as If he gases Meisha could catch her.

So I'm predicting 12% of the time Meisha Subs her, and 3% Meisha KO's her, other 85% Ronda takes it.
09-12-2013 , 07:55 PM
It's not a good sign when Tate's keys to victories involve unknowns being horrible (If Ronda has a gas tank like Overeem and no striking, she's got this)
09-12-2013 , 08:00 PM
Well i think her biggest key to victory is a known. That Ronda has a super aggressive ground game, that has led to her back being taken in 2 of her last 3 fights. Where Tate is an underrated grappler with the ability to finish the fight if Ronda gives up that opening.
09-12-2013 , 08:42 PM
To be fair, Tate did quite well for most the round until Ronda escaped and got on top and did her thing. Rondas grappling is sloppy as ****, its just big fish in a little pond type thing. Every single fight she gives up her back, has zero striking, and is only good once on top.
09-12-2013 , 10:33 PM
Main,

This should be treated the same as whatever you put in place for injuries and replacement fighters during the season. If you put no contingency in place for that, then someone just lost a fighter from their team.
09-12-2013 , 11:53 PM
I don't see where the comment or sentiment that Rhonda has improved more since their last fight is coming from either? Intrinsically I'd have to say Misha has the edge there.
09-13-2013 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Everlastrr
I don't see where the comment or sentiment that Rhonda has improved more since their last fight is coming from either? Intrinsically I'd have to say Misha has the edge there.
I can kind of see it because Ronda has been in MMA for 3 years while Tate's been in for 6 so Ronda's skills haven't been worked on as much and you can grow much faster from year 0-1 than year 15-16 for example.
09-13-2013 , 01:42 AM
Ok that makes sense. I was looking at it from the standpoint that Misha only needs to do 1 thing to win. Defend the arm bar.
09-13-2013 , 03:28 AM
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should this replacement fighter be added to the draft team of the person who lost his fighter?

nope, tough luck
09-13-2013 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by yoyobo
I would say somewhere around 15%. I think both have improved A lot since their first fight.

Tate's key to victory during their last fight was to keep the fight standing and out strike Ronda. However after a year of hard training, I'm not sure Tate even has the edge striking anymore, and even if she does we saw in their last fight that She will have a very hard time staying off the mat with her striking style. However even though Ronda has a very distinct advantage on the ground, She has a very aggressive style, mixing that together with how talented of a grappler Tate truly is, i think that Tate winning via submission isn't out of the question. (we have seen Ronda have her back taken vs Meisha and the less skilled grappler in Liz)

On top of all of that Ronda has never seen r2 and has never had her cardio tested in the up and down striking, to grappling contest like an MMA fight. Which may not mean much, but is something to be considered, as If he gases Meisha could catch her.

So I'm predicting 12% of the time Meisha Subs her, and 3% Meisha KO's her, other 85% Ronda takes it.
Yeah, that's what worries me.
09-13-2013 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bando
I can kind of see it because Ronda has been in MMA for 3 years while Tate's been in for 6 so Ronda's skills haven't been worked on as much and you can grow much faster from year 0-1 than year 15-16 for example.
This plus like I said, Tate has had quite a long lay-off due to injury.
09-13-2013 , 08:39 AM
i think miesha will win rematch and will likely be betting on it
09-13-2013 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Royale
If you didn't agree upon anything beforehand I'd say no.

You'll probably get better input .
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Originally Posted by El Diablo
Main,
If you put no contingency in place for that, then someone just lost a fighter from their team.
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Originally Posted by fnx99
nope, tough luck

Thanks guys. I appreciate the input and we'll be going with this.
09-13-2013 , 11:58 AM
Now you have a nice anti-sweat!
09-14-2013 , 09:01 PM
Kevin Iole ‏@KevinI 2m
Edward Smith, who was supposed to fight in first fight, was told there'd be drug testing and he left. NSAC put on indef medical suspension.
09-14-2013 , 09:07 PM
WAT
09-14-2013 , 09:31 PM
lol a fighter at wsof was seen taking pills backstage and got booted from the card before the fight .
09-14-2013 , 10:09 PM
Rolles Gracie = Ric Flair
09-14-2013 , 11:14 PM
Holy **** Arlovski vs. Kyle is riveting! How the hell is this a main event?

Mattysse vs. Garcia has it crushed badly. Much more psyched about this than the main event even.
09-15-2013 , 12:01 AM
garcia /. mattyse ending is excellent
09-15-2013 , 12:34 AM
Yeah, that was nice.

As much as I think I'd be a fan of someone as good as Mayweather, his entourage makes it impossible. In fact, boxing entourages in general make it almost impossible to even be a fan of the sport. It's like this ancient ingredient that just doesn't belong anymore.

      
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