My problem isn't with Jones making 205, but that his opponents are 185ers. When his opponents are fighters that either moved up from 185 for the fight (Sonnen, Belfort) or have the frame to easily make 185 (Machida, Shogun, Rashad), you can certainly factor that into a p4p ranking.

same thing could be said for Bendo.

I wouldn't have Bendo top 10. Both have still beaten very solid fighters and Jones has done it in super impressive fashion, but I think you need to factor size into p4p rankings when fighters are moving up in weight to fight for the belt.

Yes

He'd do good against some top 5 HWers, I think Cain and JDS would beat him.

Champion : Cain Velasquez
1 Junior dos Santos
2 Daniel Cormier
3 Fabricio Werdum
4 Antonio Silva

^ufc rankings.

Jones would definitely beat Werdum and Silva up on the feet. Probably take down both if he wanted to.

Cormier? No idea. We need to see more of him and aorn i think Jones would be a small favorite.
Don't think it matters much if they fight at hw or lhw as Jones would get stronger too and most of Cormiers excess weight is fat.

JDS lose if he gets taken down. He doesn't have the same footwork that Alex does.
Standing i would imagine he would beat Jones.

Cain is a solid favorite over Jones.

I agree, and I don't think JBJ would be able to take down and hold down JDS. No way.

He's got the skills to take JDS down, but will he have the strength?
JDS takedown defense is very solid, but Jon Jones have been a beast when it comes to scoring takedowns vs. everyone except for Gustafsson.

He'd still have a pretty solid reach advantage against Jds too, and jds is not nearly as fast as Alex neither on the feet or with the hands.

I guess we will find out eventually. I don't see Jones sticking around at 205 forever.

(basically i don't want people to go overboard here. Yeah Jones did look like just another elite fighter vs. Gustafsson but that could be due to a 100 reasons. Remember when Chael dominated Anderson for 4 rounds? Everyone was suddenly picking GSP to beat Anderson handily. Then he crushes Chael in the rematch and suddenly it's a mismatch.

Jon Jones could still be the greatest mma fighter of all time. It may just happen that Alex is also one of those. Or maybe he smashes Alex in a rematch, who knows.)

I don't think JDS would be a big favorite, but I think he'd be a big favorite to avoid being held down by Jones. Not only is his TDD great but his ability to get back up is as well. The only reason he wasn't able to against Cain was because of the furious pace Cain brought. Jones doesn't bring that same pace neither does he bring the same strength Cain possess. Similar to Cain, Jones' chance of taking and holding JDS down would be overwhelming or rocking him in the stand-up.

I am not hating on Jones at all, you did not grasp anything I was saying aprently. He looked awesome in this fight and grinded out a tough win... what in the **** does that happen to do with him being in the top P4P fighters none the less at #1? Please tell me what you think P4P even means. Cain would slaughter Jones in a fight, and isnt even in the top 10 for instance, and is like 15 lbs heavier tops.

Jones couldnt take Gustafson down, and we are saying he would take TDS down? He would outstrike Werdum and Bigfoot? Really?

Why would he NOT outstrike Werdum and Bigfoot? He just beat probably the best 205 striker who have MUCH better striking than Werdum or Bigfoot.
To be honest, Jones would make Bigfoot look clumsy on their feet.

Jones couldn't take Gustafsson down, true, but Gustafsson was barely taken down by Phil Davis after Phil Davis tried for an entire round and Gustafsson having limited wrestling training.
Also most of his stuffing the takedown attempts was due to his footwork and his reaction time. JDS doesn't have those qualities even if he does have very good tdd.

He wouldn't have a massive reach advantage, and rarely hurts anyone on the feet. He would get clinched with and mauled imo, Werdum would even hurt him from the clinch, the difference would be 250+ lbs men that Jones wouldn't be able to man handle and hes not going to be able to hurt them on the feet. They both also hit harder then anyone hes fought and arent afraid to get hit trying. Bigfoot he might takedown but hes not gonna to want to take Werdum down.

Shogun took down Gustafson at one point, Jones would not be able to take down JDS if Cain struggles that hard, and if he did he wouldnt be able to hold him down period. On the feet well it wouldnt be competitive.

That said I dont mean to come off like I am hating on Jones, I actually scored the fight for him last weekend as well. I just think him being #1 p4p makes zero sense in the realm of what the term actually means.

Werdum have a 77 inch reach. Jones have 84.5.
Even bigfoot have a reach disadvantage.

It's not like Werdum is a monster compared to Jones. What is Werdum? 240lbs without being ripped? He probably have 15-20 lbs on Jones. And i imagine Jones would gain weight for a heavyweight fight.

What does Shogun vs. Alex have to do with it? It's not like Alex fought the same or had the same gameplan/camp as vs. Jones.
Te Huna took Alex down. Because alex was not cautious.

The funny part about that is I don't think he threw a single boxing combination that entire fight. Pretty much all kicks and elbows. So if he spent most of his camp on boxing... that is weird.

It was probably a case of working on his boxing to get used to the boxing style that Gus was going to use and work on how to defend and counter-attack against it, rather than actually using boxing himself.

i think it's pretty fair to assume Greg Jackson would setup the camp with the purpose of getting it to the ground while also being competent standing.

No way Werdum or Bigfoot are favorites against JBJ.

I think most underestimate how good Gus is and how well he matches up against a slow muay thai footwork.

This discussion is aids, chimp vs UFCfighter or Bruce lee vs Tyson, gogogo!

All we know is IF jbj would to HW he would be roiding and not fighting for 1,5 years to mass up. Zero chance he would go in the ring obese, and implying he would get destroyed is bs. Skillset is there, frame is there, mass ez not. We do not know how he would fare in a HW setting, im mainly worried about random HW punches rocking him to hard.

Yeah, this is not happening.

Timescale might be off, got no clue how long it would take but he would not in a million years take a fight in HW unprepared/underbuilt against someone worth their salt. For example not having a steady neck/trapz enough and get hit by 250lb guys is a other ordeal against 205 guys for obv reasons.

I'm just saying there is no way he's voluntarily not fighting for 1.5 years at the prime of his career. Plus his fight weight is probably close to 230lb already while Cain and Werdum fight ~240lb while being considerably less ripped. He's not too far off, but has some mass to put on.

He could start squatting and easily add fifty lbs to them chickenlegs.

Jones has outstruck every guy he's ever fought and he's mainly fought strikers such as Shogun who had just outstruck Machida twice, Machida, Rampage, Vitor and Gustaffson. His striking is elite. I favour Cain and JDS since they have more chance of finishing him standing than vice versa, and Cain can take Jones down. JDS has elite TDD and Cain couldn't finish him on the ground, so Jones would have to spend 25 minutes avoiding getting KTFO by JDS, which is pretty tricky.