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Stone Cold Stipe Miocic
19 70.37%
Junior Cigano Dos Santos
6 22.22%
Joanna JJ Jędrzejczyk
21 77.78%
Jéssica Bate Estaca Andrade
3 11.11%
Demian "Demian Maia" Maia
20 74.07%
Jorge Gamebred Masvidal
6 22.22%
Frankie The Answer Edgar
19 70.37%
Yair El Pantera Rodriguez
5 18.52%
Alexander The Mauler Gustafsson
22 81.48%
Glover "Glover Teixeira" Teixeira
2 7.41%

06-05-2017 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
Just makes me more and more upset. So many amazing fights for Conor in MMA and we might not see any of them .

Why do we think Aldo gassed by the 2nd round? He did look bigger, maybe bad weight cut? I guess you could say because Max started to pressure, but he went 5 rounds with Frankie trying to pressure constantly.
Max has the foot work and reach to really put the pressure on. I Aldo really gassed bad when he thought he had max hurt.
06-05-2017 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant
I'm going to rewatch it. My bias for Aldo had me missing all of that at the time. I saw Holloway warming up and Aldo slowing a little, but I didn't see the apparent significant fall off of Aldo.
Max wasn't doing much when they actually stopped the fight but you're crazy if you think Aldo didn't get more than his fare chance. That fight could have been easily stopped a number of times before it was finally stopped.
06-05-2017 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by rubbrband
Max has the foot work and reach to really put the pressure on. I Aldo really gassed bad when he thought he had max hurt.
Max is tall but actually got trex arms, Aldo had the reach advantage IIRC.



Gif of end of the 2nd round. Knew this was a really bad sign but kinda hoped Aldo would be able to recover in between rounds.
06-05-2017 , 12:37 AM
@rubbur, i think JT just means he didnt see aldo getting tired as most of us mentionned
06-05-2017 , 02:36 AM
i need to rewatch the first round again. was that combo aldo landed (that ended with a high knee) off the mark, or did holloway just eat it all? i was watching on a pretty bad stream but at the time i kinda thought aldo was was about to KO him.
06-05-2017 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Yeti
i need to rewatch the first round again. was that combo aldo landed (that ended with a high knee) off the mark, or did holloway just eat it all? i was watching on a pretty bad stream but at the time i kinda thought aldo was was about to KO him.
He landed like 3-4 solid and hard punches and the knee connected decently but not brutal. Holloway wasn't anywhere near close to being KO'd, slightly stunned is about how I'd put it. Though I think that same combo drops/rocks/finishes most other FWs.

Mighty Mouse talks about TJ situation.

http://imgur.com/a/7H3vt

Really disgusting stuff from Dana. He threatened to get rid of the FLW division if MM didn't fight TJ. MM actually tried to fight Cody and UFC said no.

Last edited by StimAbuser; 06-05-2017 at 04:38 AM.
06-05-2017 , 06:38 AM
As much as I like MM. UFC couldn't care less if MM is pissed. I doubt removing his weight class is an empty threat. A ****ty heavyweight fight get more traction than MM fights. Fighting TJ seems like a good match anyway.
06-05-2017 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Yeti
i need to rewatch the first round again. was that combo aldo landed (that ended with a high knee) off the mark, or did holloway just eat it all? i was watching on a pretty bad stream but at the time i kinda thought aldo was was about to KO him.
Max needs to really up his defense if he wants to be an all time great.

It's great that he took Aldo's offense in rds. 1 and 2, but he lost those rounds and he took quite a bit of damage. He already has some miles on the tires at 25 and it's not going to get easier going forward.
06-05-2017 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rubbrband
Max wasn't doing much when they actually stopped the fight but you're crazy if you think Aldo didn't get more than his fare chance. That fight could have been easily stopped a number of times before it was finally stopped.
I agree. I have no issue with max winning, it was clear. In fact I would have been fine with the stoppage earlier when he was standing over Aldo dropping bombs on his jaw. My thought on it is more the way the intelligently protecting yourself rule gets exploited.

Max had a few clear opportunities to go for the choke and I would have bet he sunk it, but he wanted the tko. That's fine, and again he arguably had that already depending on the ref. The point of a tko and ref stoppage, though, is not that the fighter simply isn't fighting back, it is that he is going to get hurt for no reason if the ref doesn't stop. The whole big brother on top of little brother boxing the ears without answer is not that different than a lay and pray imo. The argument my friend made is fighters will never tap to blows like that, but I feel that is bs because they tap to subs all the time.

I just think when it comes to earning a finish by tko it should be because the ref had to stop it or the fighter was going to be hurt. Otherwise it incentivizes what we saw which was not risking going in for the choke because you'd rather pitter patter while you look at the ref. If it isn't a clear danger of hurting him, and the argument is he isn't improving his positions, it should be up to Aldo (and his corner) to weather that or not and max to try to end it with a tap or damage.

If those blows are more damaging than I understand I would consider that but I don't know.
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
Max is tall but actually got trex arms, Aldo had the reach advantage IIRC.



Gif of end of the 2nd round. Knew this was a really bad sign but kinda hoped Aldo would be able to recover in between rounds.
I watched it again, and while I did see Aldo getting tired I don't think he was fully gassed. Right after the gif posted here he landed a few and threw a spinning kick. I still think it was more a case of max speeding up the pace than Aldo slowing down too much, even though both happened. Aldo got noticibly tired at about 4 minutes in the 2nd, but it wasn't like Conor vs Diaz where he was tanked at the end. Max hit him with a beautiful one two-one two. If he had been throwing freely from the first round like that I think he could have finished him the same way in one or two.
06-05-2017 , 10:39 AM
These Sherdog cliff notes help outline just how ridiculous Dana and Sean Shelby are being.

Couple things that I found particularly stupid:
  • DJ asked for superfight between him and Cody at FW (which Cody said he would do). Matchmaker agreed, but Dana and Sean Shelby denied it and forced Ray Borg on DJ
  • Cody gets injured, so they replace Ray Borg with TJ. Dana said this is for TJ Dillashaw, and DJ is taking away TJ's opportunity.

I thought it was interesting that DJ actually agreed to the TJ fight, just under the condition that if he doesn't make weight the fight is off and DJ gets a truck full of money. His argument is basically TJ is all risk and no more reward than anybody else, and he's doesn't think he'll make weight, so he wants insurance.

Hearing Demetrius' thoughts on the matter actually changed my opinion of the Dillashaw matchup. I also think fighters should 100% not be obligated/preshered to fight on short notice or if their opponent misses weight, so, I probably care less about his extreme stipulations than other people.

Last edited by Thug Bubbles; 06-05-2017 at 10:45 AM.
06-05-2017 , 08:17 PM
Per MM on the MMAHour:

"They said it was either fight TJ or we'll close the division. I said 'Well close the mother****ing division then'".

Don't care about his drawing power, that takes stones.
06-06-2017 , 02:47 AM
Wow Dana is going full Vince McMahon. What a ****show!
06-06-2017 , 06:35 PM
Jason 'Hick Diaz' Knight steps in to fight Lamas. High violence potential there.
06-06-2017 , 06:44 PM
lol hick diaz
06-07-2017 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
Really weird that Aldo threw 0 leg kicks, especially considering max seems susceptible to them.
https://zippy.gfycat.com/EarnestElli...npangolin.webm
06-07-2017 , 08:45 AM
It's possible that's why he didn't throw any kicks, but I doubt it. Getting countered doesn't mean you just stop. I wonder if his game-plan was to not throw any because the entire world was expecting it from him.
06-07-2017 , 09:01 AM
**** jason knight btw, saw his fam/friends wearing confederate flag apparel in the audience during his last fight. the dude totally looks and sounds the part of a racist redneck cracker from mississippi tho, so def not a surprise
06-07-2017 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
**** jason knight btw, saw his fam/friends wearing confederate flag apparel in the audience during his last fight. the dude totally looks and sounds the part of a racist redneck cracker from mississippi tho, so def not a surprise
Didn't his shirt feature the Mississippi State Flag(which unfortunately does have the Confederate Flag as part of it)
06-07-2017 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Thug Bubbles
It's possible that's why he didn't throw any kicks, but I doubt it. Getting countered doesn't mean you just stop. I wonder if his game-plan was to not throw any because the entire world was expecting it from him.
lol getting your leg cracked from a hard check definitely means you just stop. Not saying that's 100% what happened, but dude broke his foot early against KZ. Not impossible he hurt his **** there and was afraid of getting Spider'd.
06-07-2017 , 05:19 PM
If he did actually injury his leg, sure, but that would have come out by now. Getting your leg painfully checked after a kick just means you need to set up the strike up better or differently, or go for a different type of kick (like an inside kick). It doesn't mean you just say "Oh well, I tried!" and give up on your first attempt. His dutch combo would have been worth a try, for example.

Anderson got his leg broken because he didn't setup his kick at all. Throwing a naked kick out there without any setup is just asking for your shin to get wrecked, and really doesn't work in MMA like it used to. Unless you're fighting Diaz brother.

Last edited by Thug Bubbles; 06-07-2017 at 05:35 PM.
06-07-2017 , 07:15 PM
i think the black beast is going to win on saturday night. he will stop him in the 2nd round after getting a takedown and unleashing vicious ground and pound.
06-08-2017 , 02:14 AM
What a shocker, Joe Stevenson lasted 10 secs.

I winced when he said he was gonna give his kid the best bday present ever.
06-08-2017 , 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
i think the black beast is going to win on saturday night. he will stop him in the 2nd round after getting a takedown and unleashing vicious ground and pound.
Derrick Lewis is going to get KO'd in 1st rd. I'l keep this post queued up for the "told ya so"s.
06-08-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Snoop Todd
What a shocker, Joe Stevenson lasted 10 secs.

I winced when he said he was gonna give his kid the best bday present ever.
whole thing was cringe, the decision to bring him back was dumb AF

"but like, he told me he wanted it FOR HIS FAMILY. FOR HIS FAMILY, MAN, I COULDN'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM HIM"

ya he's the only fighter in the room with a family, give me a ****ing break
06-08-2017 , 07:48 PM
Well, I mean, his fight name is Daddy.

      
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