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EDF MMA/Fightin' thread - September 2011 EDF MMA/Fightin' thread - September 2011

09-27-2011 , 07:19 PM
lol guys. There was no robber. None of the details make sense, there was no comment from or evidence of the existence of the supposed robbery victim, no arrest or police report or even confirmation whatsoever, and the robbers' name isn't available anywhere because it doesn't exist. The entire thing was clearly a staged move for PR, because the UFC is evil. Which is hilarious

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09-27-2011 , 08:29 PM
and fedor isnt getting beatdown easily
09-27-2011 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
All of a sudden I wanna see rashad vs shogun.
Tons of guys I'd like to see Shogun fight, but Henderson is probably #1 on my list, so I hope nothing changes that matchup. I don't think either of them should get a title shot after winning though, unless Rashad beats JJ then its ok.
09-27-2011 , 10:15 PM
Are there decent quality videos from ADCC up anywhere? I haven't found much googling yet.

Also, Palhares has got to be the scummiest fighter in the sport. Multiple incidents of fighting dirty at ADCC. That's like a dozen or more times he's done something dirty in a fight.

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09-27-2011 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Joss
Are there decent quality videos from ADCC up anywhere? I haven't found much googling yet.

Also, Palhares has got to be the scummiest fighter in the sport. Multiple incidents of fighting dirty at ADCC. That's like a dozen or more times he's done something dirty in a fight.
i saw some torrents up on mma torrent sites . 4 adcc
09-27-2011 , 10:42 PM
There is a Paul Harris video up from ADCC where he apparently did some many things... then you watch the video and he did nothing wrong this time imo. Ref told them stop, even though his opponent tapped and tried to reset them, and it kind of got confusing after that and wasn't really his fault.
09-27-2011 , 10:57 PM
I only read the descriptions and I don't think they were cheating. I think people are underestimating how much of a real simpleton he is. I mean the dude grew up ultra poor working in the fields and eating pig feed and ****.
09-27-2011 , 11:08 PM
Cage Potato hasn't been funny in a while but this one was hysterical.

‎"He’s like a T-1000 with the brain of Corky from Life Goes On, sent from some horrific future in which appendages are the last form of human resistance." - Dude on Paul Harris
09-27-2011 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Phresh
I only read the descriptions and I don't think they were cheating. I think people are underestimating how much of a real simpleton he is. I mean the dude grew up ultra poor working in the fields and eating pig feed and ****.
I saw the match in question, and his opponents brother came in and actually told his side of the story. He thinks Paul cranked the first one after the ref said stop and his brother tapped but in the video it looks fine. Then they restart them in a ****ing heelhook position lol, and Paulares is like seriously? Then he just insta kneebars and lets go right away at the tap.
09-28-2011 , 12:32 AM
stumpinho is def one of the goats
09-28-2011 , 01:04 AM
IDK why BJ winning one round vs. Fich, makes him so great. If you ignore records (isnt this one of the points of p4p), which is what should be done for p4p, you will see that, skillwise BJ clearly got beat in that fight.

Him knocking out Hughes... ok.

Edgar II, he gets beat from start to finish.
Edgar I, don't remember, I'll take everyone's word that he won.

But at some point, you gotta stop going back in time.

I am not saying he sucks ass or anything, b/c he hangs in there/beats tough opponents. I'm just saying, I think he is behind: rashad, fitch, jds, melendez, maynard. If he was @ 155, you'd take him over ben henderson?

Again, I don't wanna make it sound like he is a washup. He is in a title run.
09-28-2011 , 04:48 AM
i think bj is the best lightweight, as in i would pick him to win a tournament. He just match up bad against Edgar, who i think could get beat by a lot more fighters than bj could be.

Outwrestling fitch as a really small ww is quite impressive. Fitch is by far the second best ww.

I'd take him over henderson without a doubt.
09-28-2011 , 06:22 AM
BJ under Marinovich is one of the baddest mfers ever and would hold the LW title until age beat him
09-28-2011 , 06:41 AM
K-1 officially dead now. After Overeem, Badr Hari is retiring from Kickboxing as well. To destroy your hopes, he is not entering MMA...

http://liverkick.com/index.php?optio...4:demo-content
09-28-2011 , 07:00 AM
that sucks. I guess some other promotion will spring up and take after K-1s model but do it better / more financially viable?
09-28-2011 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by kingofcool
i think bj is the best lightweight, as in i would pick him to win a tournament. He just match up bad against Edgar, who i think could get beat by a lot more fighters than bj could be.

Outwrestling fitch as a really small ww is quite impressive. Fitch is by far the second best ww.

I'd take him over henderson without a doubt.
meh theres ahuge dropoff from 1st to 2nd, and after that you have arguably a few fighters at this point who are all equal. Fitch/Sheilds/Condit could all be #2, depending on who you ask. Unfortunately none of them are contenders so long as, GSP is there. Kind of like what Anderson Silva is to the 185's.

And even though he smokes weed, and is a lil crazy, I think Nick Diaz would actually beat up Jon Fitch. I know crazy thought, but Nicks good.
09-28-2011 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DublingUp
Fitch/Sheilds/Condit could all be #2, depending on who you ask.

And even though he smokes weed, and is a lil crazy, I think Nick Diaz would actually beat up Jon Fitch. I know crazy thought, but Nicks good.
Fitch and Koscheck are both legitimate #2s and I'd rank Condit below both of those guys. Shields certainly hasn't looked good since joining the UFC and, after a few more fights, we may discover that he's barely a fringe top ten welterweight.

I'm not convinced that Nick would be able to do much of anything to Fitch. Let's see how he handles BJ first.

I think the streets are going to be littered with former top Strikeforce guys who had their asses handed to them after moving up to the UFC.
09-28-2011 , 11:40 AM
its so weird that shields beat henderson and now looks like a training dummy @ welterweight (kampmann would win a rematch imo)

shows how LW/WW are way better p4p imo
09-28-2011 , 01:10 PM
No way is Jake Shields even close to #2 p4p. I think he lost vs Kampmann and should be 0-3 in the UFC. His striking is awful and he's not going to be able to take down or keep down the wrestlers at the top WW or MW. I would not be surprised to see Shields get cut after loosing his next fight.

Nick Diaz has terrible wresting, isn't going to submit Fitch from his guard and doesn't have one punch KO power. Fitch would fitch him to a decision.

It is easy to look amazing in Strikeforce when you never fight top 10 competition. Melendez isn't going to look very good when he makes the jump into the UFC.
09-28-2011 , 01:13 PM
you meant #2 ww?
09-28-2011 , 01:29 PM
I don't think there is any way Clay Guida should be top 30 p4p. I would favor so many lw wrestle boxers against him. His last four fights have been ideal matchups for his style.
09-28-2011 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
FWIW I ranked Sonnen where I did because he won 4/5 rounds from my #1 ranked guy, and I think that matters a lot.
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Originally Posted by john voight
huh? I don't see what is so crazy about having him ahead of condit, ellenberger, penn, florian, Machida or belfort... though I can see him being ranked bellow b/c he is a one trick pony. I guess it all comes down to how you view the AS fight.
I don't argue fantasy but since you came up with half my response yourselves I will finish. Chael is given way to much credit for only one fight. (that he lost) Outside of that fight he doesn't even come close to making these lists. In fact if he'd been submitted in the first 30 secs instead of the last 30 maybe just maybe we wouldn't have had to listen to that ponce ever again. Plus no one wants to hear that Anderson was injured. Finally my last point is that just because you can take people down and lay on them does not mean you will WIN fights. He is living proof.

See how fun fantasy is... NOT. Let's see what he does with Stann. If he handles him easy I will give him some credit but his resume will still be sorely lacking.
09-28-2011 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Everlastrr
I don't argue fantasy but since you came up with half my response yourselves I will finish. Chael is given way to much credit for only one fight. (that he lost) Outside of that fight he doesn't even come close to making these lists. In fact if he'd been submitted in the first 30 secs instead of the last 30 maybe just maybe we wouldn't have had to listen to that ponce ever again. Plus no one wants to hear that Anderson was injured. Finally my last point is that just because you can take people down and lay on them does not mean you will WIN fights. He is living proof.

See how fun fantasy is... NOT. Let's see what he does with Stann. If he handles him easy I will give him some credit but his resume will still be sorely lacking.
I try and avoid these p4p arguments but I agree with you here. Chaels biggest ****ing win Nate Marquart, and he took more damage from the bottom then he inflicted from the top. Hes got clown shoed by Maia and lost to Jeremy horn 3 times. I am not saying he isn't good but people act like hes the #1 MW that got soooo unlucky and it makes me laugh.
09-28-2011 , 03:07 PM
He gets credit for that fight because he thoroughly dominated Anderson Silva, something nobody else has ever done.
09-28-2011 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kingofcool
that sucks. I guess some other promotion will spring up and take after K-1s model but do it better / more financially viable?
It's showtime is already taking over and Badr will be back in a year or 2 when he realizes
1) all his weaknesses will be exposed in boxing, he is 100x better as a kickboxer than boxer
2) going to USA for money as a heavyweight boxer is dumb
fight a Klitschko in Germany, Adamek in Poland, Haye in England, this would however go badly as go back to point 1

      
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