i might be down, i'd probably weigh about the same for the fight. my boxing experience is a 30 minute lesson from dave benefield and then a knock of a 140 pound kid after he annoyed me

edit: i am probably eventually going to take some kind of mma classes and i am trying to figure out what i should take

I'd love to sign up for some kind of EDF combat tournament, shame I'm in the UK. Would need to find a fellow bantamweight to match up against too, doesn't seem to be too many of us little guys in the fight game.

aejones - there's an MMA (doing) thread in the H&F forum if you want any questions asked.

after organic green sees this pic he is going to proclaim lyoto as #1 PFP GOAT

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/79...l#post29530631

Alves vs Kampmann on March 3rd.

when did tiger go to meet lyoto?

bad fight for kampmann imo.

Kampmanns wrestling is actually quite good, but don't think he will be able to take roidmonkey alves down.
Standing, i like Kampmanns hands, but i see some tendencies of him being uncomfortable when pressured. Like against Story in the first round, daley and obv marquardt. I think alves can do just that, but with much better technique than Story.

not to mention he has a great wrestler by his side to train with. Mo is a beast.

Serious Question:

If Dan Henderson dropped to Middle weight and beat Anderson Silva in a rematch, would he be regarded as the GOAT? His wins would include Silva, semi-prime Fedor, prime Nog, prime Wanderlei, semi-prime Shogun, Paulhares, Renato Sobral, prime belfort and Murilo Rua. And keep in mind he's quite small aswell.

you also left out a very dramatic KO on Renzo Gracie when Renzo was in his prime as well.

Hendo right now has to be in the discussion even without the caveat you noted. His hit list is pretty large and doing what he's been doing at his age for the past couple of years is insanely impressive


to weigh in on the Chael on TV debate, the PPV numbers that he popped with his fight against Anderson is exactly why you don't want him on TV fighting. Him on TV pimping his PPV fight is perfect. The same works for Brock as well. It's very unlikely UFC will be able to recover enough in Ad revenue to make up for the financial hit giving away big matches like that for free on TV. Giving away massive money fights on Fox to pop a rating is always a bad idea when that fight could very well bring in 650K+ PPV buys.

Honestly, if we estimate that the UFC would be able to draw 650K buys for Anderson/Chael II at an avg of $50 per buy (it could be higher since more and more are getting HD TV and the HD PPVs are $10 higher than normal PPVs) that card alone will bring the UFC $32,500,000 right there from PPV buys.

Aloysius would know much better what kind of rating it would take to do the same on free TV, but I would have to imagine that it would have to be a very high rating.

The inverse is that it sets a bad precedent for the UFC to be giving away their biggest fights for free

But what about the fact that if a few big cards are shown for free, the fanbase grows and brings in more people to buy PPV in the coming years?

Would it not make sense to sacrifice a 650k buy PPV card now for potential 1m+ buy cards by this time next year?

Obv I have no way of knowing how to estimate these numbers. PPV numbers will surely go up after people get into the sport by watching the freecasts, but how do you quantify it?

Alves by tko. He's way too aggressive to let Kampmann get into any kind of rhythm. At the very least, Alves will win by volume. But his power is enough to make the ref stop it before we get to that.

1) while there is validity in this, you want to show the exciting fights for free. THe reason JDS/Cain worked is because we were likely to get a finish from them and they aren't the biggest drawing cards on UFC. As non-casual fans we obv wanted more, but the finish to Cain/JDS was actually perfect for building up casual fans. On top of that Brock and Dana did a perfect job building a bigger money fight at the end of december. Cain is far from an established PPV draw and we don't really know what JDS' drawing power is after TUF. This fight may have made JDS into a PPV draw, so the UFC on Fox would be successful in that respect

2) its no garuntee that a card will do 1m buys. UFC really only has one draw that can realistically do that in Brock. Chael can possibly do that as well, but those two guys are it. I'm not one to want to sacrifice what is a near guaranteed $30m+ payday on the hopes that putting one of my biggest draws on TV for free will possibly bring in a $50m payday.

PPV numbers may or may not go up after the free broadcasts. EliteXC wasn't exactly swimming in money are putting on some free shows and that was with some of their big draws. Yes, I know they were playing catch up and UFC's production values were much better. But, the general idea of putting UFC on Fox is more to make PPV stars. Put exciting fights on for free to establish them in the public eye more and reap the benefits when people are paying either $44.95 or $54.95 for your show

My thoughts as well. It could be a great fight but it will probably be one sided for Alves.

Only about half of the PPV revenue goes to the UFC. Plus there's the investment of getting more people to watch it but I have no idea how to quantify the value of that.

i dont think ufc knows how to quantify it either and theyre playing it by promoting future ppv's , thats why munoz vs sonnen on ufc on fox 2 makes sense ,it showcases both fighters and sets up the ppv in june w/ anderson silva ....

I understand on half the revenue going to UFC. But, its near impossible to say that if we put sonnen on Fox and he wins, that he will bring in 200K more buys because of his TV fight. He is perfect for TV and if he did what Brock did on 11/12 that would be even better and would very likely bring in as many buys for a fight that is closer in date. All they need is Sonnen pimping his fight on TV and doing his thing to get people to want to see him get his ass kicked or watch him kick ass

the better way to showcase the fighters would be to do TV specials and let them talk on TV instead of them fighting. But, Munoz/Sonnen would be much better on TV than Sonnen or Munoz v Anderson.

I actually think that Henderson/Edgar would be perfect for TV as it would be an all action fight and it would showcase a weight division that could use some help at least in carrying PPV buys

Yeah, and in case people hadn't noticed, UFC 150 is due to hit soon. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why AS is 'injured' and looking to be ready about the same time a milestone card is gonna hit. Looking foward to seeing if they make as big a deal about 150 as they did 100.

All of the usual GOAT contenders have had very long stretches where they went undefeated and looked invincible doing it. Hendo has never really had a run like that. He has an amazing list of wins but quite a few losses scattered in as well. He could very well supplant Randy as the greatest 40+ fighter though.

You guys are underrating Kampmann, especially in a fight with a guy like Alves, who has been known to take serious dumps in the cage.

Pretty sure Sonnen-Silva II would do 1,000,000 buys, especially when Sonnen does his shtick on Fox after the Munoz fight. I'll take the over on 900,000 if anyone wants to bet.

Also they might be forgetting that Kampmann took down Conduit quite a few times to win his fight against him. I think this might of worked against Alves before...

Only when pressured tho right? Like against Fitch story and gsp.
Can kampmann do that? I don't know.

If Alves takes dumps in the cage than Kampmann takes hungover diarrhea beer poops whilst throwing up all over himself.


I agree it will be closer than people think, and if Kampmann utalized his skillset to its fullest he would probably out grapple Alves for the win. I really don't expect him to though.


Strike the strikers and grapple the grapplers, that's kampmanns motto. Reverse GSP style.

I would fight someone(boxing, kickboxing, MMA, whatever) who has a similar amount of experience as me and weighs similar to me. I weigh a little over 180(could make 175 for the fight if I had to). I did one year of HS wrestling about 15 years ago and don't remember any of it, only had 2 varsity matches- lost one, won the other by forfeit. Other than that I have no fighting experience whatsoever.

I see two possibilities:

1. That was "semi prime" Fedor and Fedor was insanely overrated all along

2. That was "way past his prime" Fedor


I guess it could be a combo of those two as well. My point being that I'm not impressed whatsoever by the Fedor win and wouldn't even include it in the post. That same Fedor had just struggled with Brett Rogers, lost to Werdum, and lost to BigFoot.

I guess he'd be in the top tier all time if he did that, but I'm not sure if you could say #1. Imo you need to look at the complete picture, and that includes 8 losses. Looking back now that unanimous decision loss to Jake Shields is a pretty glaring loss for a potential #1 all time fighter.