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07-26-2009 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by slickpoppa
The Champions Clause is good for the sport in the long run because it protects the legitimacy of the belts. One of the main reasons for the UFC's rise and boxing's decline is that the UFC's belts actually mean something. Yes, the HW belt is cheapened by Fedor not being in the UFC, but that is the exception.
UFC exists to make money. The clause only exists to suppress fighter salaries. The best fighters would have a strong tendency to be in the UFC without the clause.
07-27-2009 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by gehrig
UFC exists to make money. The clause only exists to suppress fighter salaries. The best fighters would have a strong tendency to be in the UFC without the clause.
This.
07-27-2009 , 12:53 AM
I agree. Without the champion clause, they would have to renegotiate once the contract ends which means more money for the fighter.
07-27-2009 , 02:52 AM
However, when you put it that way, I can also see why they don't want to put themselves in a position where every belt-holder has them by the balls (like Barnett back in the day).
07-27-2009 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirkrrr
However, when you put it that way, I can also see why they don't want to put themselves in a position where every belt-holder has them by the balls (like Barnett back in the day).

right.

Plus when it comes to Fedor hes going to make a **** load of money so lets not all boo hoo b/c ufc has him with a champions clause here.

A lot of people who are bitching about Fedor not being in the UFC would be bitching if he (or any champ) fought once or twice and left the UFC with the belt never to return.

And again when it comes to money i bet UFC would give him a HUGE per fight contract with a win bonus and a % of PPV. Id bet he'd make 1.5-2m+ USD (thanks a lot to Lesnars drawing power + the UFC hype machine) if his first fight in the UFC is Lesnar v Fedor. Add in the fact that UFC will be hyping him up huge which could help him make more money with the UFC or other orgs down the line. On top of all that im 100 % sure no matter what the results of Fedor/Lesnar 1 are we will see a Fedor/Lesnar 2 and perhaps a 3rd if they split the first 2. So thats like $4- 7 million Fedor stands to make in the course of 3-6 fights.

I know its not all about money or it is and he stands to make lots more with his M1 connection while fighting lesser opponents with less risk i dont know. I just think its worth it for Fedor to sign with the UFC (with a little stretching by UFC to get him like letting him do sambo/image rights) financially both in the long term and short term no matter what happens in his UFC stint.

But again i just think this never happens b/c like i said before its like his management will keep Fedor out of the UFC at all costs. His managment team knows UFC is never signing him w/ o a champions clause , only signing fedor to an exclusive contract, and they have to know there will never be a co-promotion so why are they even still talking if those things are a no go?

Last edited by okterrific; 07-27-2009 at 04:06 AM.
07-27-2009 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirkrrr
However, when you put it that way, I can also see why they don't want to put themselves in a position where every belt-holder has them by the balls (like Barnett back in the day).
Fighters can't really hold them by the balls right now because there isn't a viable competitor. If Anderson Silva was a free agent, nobody is going to pay him a million dollars to fight Jake Shields so they can sell 65,000 PPVs.

As soon as a viable competitor springs up and fighters actually could hold the UFC by the balls, the champion's clause will disappear (along with the 100K sponsorship racket and all their other anti-fighter schemes) or they will lose everyone
07-27-2009 , 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by okterrific
And again when it comes to money i bet UFC would give him a HUGE per fight contract with a win bonus and a % of PPV. Id bet he'd make 1.5-2m+ USD (thanks a lot to Lesnars drawing power + the UFC hype machine) if his first fight in the UFC is Lesnar v Fedor. Add in the fact that UFC will be hyping him up huge which could help him make more money with the UFC or other orgs down the line. On top of all that im 100 % sure no matter what the results of Fedor/Lesnar 1 are we will see a Fedor/Lesnar 2 and perhaps a 3rd if they split the first 2. So thats like $4- 7 million Fedor stands to make in the course of 3-6 fights.
If the sport continues to grow, Fedor doesn't lose and Strikeforce starts making money selling PPVs, Fedor might be worth $15 million a fight in 3-4 years. So long as he didn't sign a contract in 2009 that never ended
07-27-2009 , 08:52 AM
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If the sport continues to grow, Fedor doesn't lose and Strikeforce starts making money selling PPVs, Fedor might be worth $15 million a fight in 3-4 years. So long as he didn't sign a contract in 2009 that never ended
you think strikeforce can get to the kind of dominant position the UFC has in 3-4 years? the ufc has branded itself as the number one organisation, so much so that when you ask a casual fan about MMA, they think you're talking about the UFC.

zero chance strikeforce can even come close to putting on as many shows/ppv buy's as the UFC will in the next 4 years
07-27-2009 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SNOWBALL
i think it's time for the UFC to have one extra weight class. Everyone 225+ should be a superheavyweight. Everyone between 205-225 is reg heavyweight. This wasn't an issue before, but now that there are some really big dudes out there who can really brawl instead of just the occasional huge freak like Sylvia, we need this.

Brock Walks around at 280+ or whatever. His freakishness has permanently changed the sport.
The UFC doesn't set the weight limits. Superheavyweight is already defined in the unified MMA rules as 265+. There are no big names that can't make 265. A superheavyweight division would look like this....

Bob Sapp
Hong Man Choi
Giant Silva
Zuluzinho
Akebono
Shaq
BJ Penn
07-27-2009 , 06:06 PM
Babalu and Mousasi back on at Strikeforce. Oh and since Babalu is the Strikeforce LHW champ it'll be a title fight.

So I believe Mousasi and Fedor are managed by the same camp so perhaps Strikeforce is talking w/ Fedor as well?
07-27-2009 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by zacd
So I believe Mousasi and Fedor are managed by the same camp so perhaps Strikeforce is talking w/ Fedor as well?
I've been kinda wondering if that's what was being hinted at by the "we'd rather fight Rogers" talk, actually.
07-27-2009 , 07:55 PM
For the boxing fans ITT...

Fight from June 27, Victor Ortiz vs. Marcos Maidana. If you haven't seen it, try and find it somewhere.

Even if you aren't a big boxing fan (I'm not much of one), you would probably like this fight.
07-27-2009 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rock-steady
you think strikeforce can get to the kind of dominant position the UFC has in 3-4 years? the ufc has branded itself as the number one organisation, so much so that when you ask a casual fan about MMA, they think you're talking about the UFC.

zero chance strikeforce can even come close to putting on as many shows/ppv buy's as the UFC will in the next 4 years
I agree that it's very unlikely anybody will be doing UFC numbers in the near future, but it's certainly possible that Strikeforce (or someone) will be doing 3-4 PPVs a year doing 500K+ buys profitably in a few years.

If that happens then fighter salaries will skyrocket.
07-27-2009 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdottawa
For the boxing fans ITT...

Fight from June 27, Victor Ortiz vs. Marcos Maidana. If you haven't seen it, try and find it somewhere.

Even if you aren't a big boxing fan (I'm not much of one), you would probably like this fight.
Here's part uno on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6AEjLPlTc0
07-27-2009 , 09:19 PM
he didn't deserve to get beat up like that

i'd love to hear what oscar told him postfight
07-28-2009 , 03:41 AM
I am actually glad a kid has the wisdom to have a bit of prudence in his thinking. I am glad that he doesn't have more testicular fortitude than he has talent because that doesn't end well. On the other hand, the kid probably should not box anymore if he is not going to be constantly trying to figure out a way to win when things go wrong. That is something that you really can't teach very effectively. He probably better focus on school. imo
07-28-2009 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by funkyworms
The UFC doesn't set the weight limits. Superheavyweight is already defined in the unified MMA rules as 265+. There are no big names that can't make 265. A superheavyweight division would look like this....

Bob Sapp
Hong Man Choi
Giant Silva
Zuluzinho
Akebono
Shaq
BJ Penn
i chortled
07-28-2009 , 11:56 AM
Not sure if its been posted yet but,

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/ale...02/index2.html
07-28-2009 , 01:49 PM
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure Alex and Fedor aren't on good terms now so take it with a grain of salt.
07-28-2009 , 04:07 PM
swick kampmann listed as the top fight on the ufc 103 card from houston. winner gets to get demolished by gsp lolll


i guess we'll find out next week what the headline of that card will be too, cause there is no way those 2 are headlining.


at least you'll get to see trigg beaten back out of the ufc by a furious koscheck that night
07-28-2009 , 04:31 PM
Martin Kampmann is awesome.
07-28-2009 , 05:16 PM
fedor to hold press conference tomorrow... yakityak, wont sign UFC deal, will only co-promote with M1. odds of fedor ever fighting in the UFC, about 100-1
07-28-2009 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeyPatriot
Martin Kampmann is awesome.
Both are awesome, but I see Kampmann taking the fight by submission or decision. Swick will only be able to win by (T)KO.
07-28-2009 , 05:46 PM
o hai, UFC and Fedor are finalizing a deal guyz. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spor...zing-deal.html
07-28-2009 , 05:52 PM
i'm 100x more anxious about the fedor thing than i was about brett favre come back or not, (well...not now)..

why isn't this on espn- cue garth algar "LIVE IN THE NOW!"

      
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